The War in the Ukraine

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Shadow_Whomel said:
The 2022 Tank Biathlon will take place from 13 to 27 August. General Gerasimov: "President Putin, I've been working overtime on the screws to ensure that the refurbishment of the vehicles for the competition will be completed before the competition!"

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Seems like an unnecessary distraction to me.
 
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Anlsvrthng

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I am just think about the endgame.


Best way to force Ukraine to make compromise with Russia is just to destroy the infrastructure, and after that it would be only matter of weeks for a compromise most likelly.

Problem is the Ukrainan could destroy Donetsk as a revenge.

So , if they make impossible for Ukraine to destroy teh Donetsk, then it is relativly easy to close fast the whole problem.
 
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Janiz

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Chimpoo said:
Locations of Russian warehouses attacked with M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) ,according to Ukraine sources.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1545073829403365376
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Yes. Now Ukrainians are moving from destroying frontline ammo depots (which already ruined first line of Russian logistics) and are moving to destroy the second Russian logistics line that they now have to use heavily by methodologically bombing and paralysing train supply lines. They're doing this like NATO would. Just to remind you all - in case of war between NATO and Russia Russian supply lines and logistic centers would be destroyed up to a couple hundreds kilometers behind the frontlines in a matter of a few days. Not after 4 and a half months. That's why shock and awe is Russian preferable way of war nowadays. After a few weeks they wouldn't be able to resupply and knowing that they would just sit down at the table and negotiate claiming whatever they had gained in the process. They know that and aren't stupid.
 
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In the video there is an interesting map shown. It is a map that shows the units of both Russia and Ukrainian forces. The interesting part is the Siversk area. The Ukrainians have put a lot of forces in the Siversk area. But the composition is where it gets interesting. On the frontline you have the Territorial defense forces. They are being used as cannon fodder. With them on the frontline is Belorussian nazis and members of the free Russia brigade which is basically anti Putin Russian force composed of captured Russian soldiers from the early days of the war. Behind this line is Ukrainian special forces air assault brigades. In the third line are basically the forces that fought in Severodonetsk and Lysychansk. These forces however are depleated. There is one brigade that has 80% losses and another that had 60%. What is perplexing is they are defending the north and behind Siversk. Why is this perplexing? Because the Russians can attack from the north crossing the River taking over important attacking Siversk from the back.

On the final line is Ukrainian neo nazi battalions. Seems to me that’s the Ukrainian tactic is to prevent surrender. Putting the territorial defense forces with the Belorussian/Russian grouping will force them to fight. The special forces behind them will prevent retreat and can easily reinforce them. And having the Ukrainian neo nazis in the back essentially prevents retreat. The Ukrainian general staff basically is putting their TDF men to fight hard. The only issue is why the Ukrainians are putting so much manpower in Siversk? It’s in the lowland. The area is flat. Whatever is left of their mechanized forces are in no way able to fight the Russian in open land.
 
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Janiz said:
Yes. Now Ukrainians are moving from destroying frontline ammo depots (which already ruined first line of Russian logistics) and are moving to destroy the second Russian logistics line that they now have to use heavily by methodologically bombing and paralysing train supply lines. They're doing this like NATO would. Just to remind you all - in case of war between NATO and Russia Russian supply lines and logistic centers would be destroyed up to a couple hundreds kilometers behind the frontlines in a matter of a few days. Not after 4 and a half months. That's why shock and awe is Russian preferable way of war nowadays. After a few weeks they wouldn't be able to resupply and knowing that they would just sit down at the table and negotiate claiming whatever they had gained in the process. They know that and aren't stupid.
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I do wonder how the logic of "4 HIMARS are completely destroying Russian logistics on the entire front" jives with "+2000 cruise missile and Iskander strikes on Ukranian depots, barracks and infrastructure have done nothing at all so Ukraine is totally winning" narrative you people like to push.

And the use of HIMARs might be NATO-like(whatever that might mean), but everything else isn't, from photo-ops on Snake Island to paniked retreats, to bunching up during artillery strikes, to using soft-skinned vehicles

A case in point being a video where 10 to 16 UAF soldiers were running away from artillery, bunching up in a hedge, getting wounded(and even not noticing one of the wounded who was left in an open field for several minutes) then getting picked up in a van and a car just to get ambushed, causing the car to flee, leaving everybody else stranded and wounded, if you wanna talk videogame-like
 
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sheogorath said:
I do wonder how the logic of "4 HIMARS are completely destroying Russian logistics on the entire front" jives with "+2000 cruise missile and Iskander strikes on Ukranian depots, barracks and infrastructure have done nothing at all so Ukraine is totally winning" narrative you people like to push.
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First of all - there's no point in comparing HIMARS that Ukrainians are using (especially coupled with munitions they were provided by US) and Iskanders/Kalibrs. Those are two different things. BTW - there are now at least 9 launchers used by Ukrainians.

Second - if you'd like to get some more info about Russian missile launches and aviation sorties numbers recorded by Ukrainian side please refer to the article I've linked below. I think that the numbers provided debunk another (in a long list) myth that we were spoon-fed in the past (if you have you air defence operational and in place). Highlights:
  • 6,443 sorties of operational-tactical aviation (around 50 a day)
  • 626 strikes have been made by “Iskander” and “Kalibr” cruise missiles
  • more than 70% of the unguided projectiles and guided air missiles launched by the Russian Federation over Ukraine do not reach their target
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I'm not even trying to challenge your knowledge about the way Russian logistics worked during this conflict so far. Certainly it will become much more complicated and similar to what Ukrainians are already doing.
Zichan said:
How does Ukraine obtain the targeting data?
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Space (NATO) and intel (Ukraine).
 
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