The War in the Ukraine

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FADH1791

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Temstar said:
This attack if true could only be the result of HUMINT right? SIGINT even if available should only reveal there's a lot of traffic in the area, won't be able to reveal the exact nature of the target unless there are eyes on the ground?
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The word is high ranking Ukraine military officials likely double agents sent the info to Russian high command. Don’t be surprised if Elensky does a Stalin like purge of the Ukrainian general staff and fill them with the most ultranationalistic no step back true believers.
 
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An disorderly retreat is likely to result in much worse casualty ratios as well as impose worse strategic consequences then a fight to the death.

Yes, a cauldron battle could result in total destruction of the forces entrapped. But it ties down large besieging enemy forces for long periods, making them susceptible to attack in turn, while giving own forces elsewhere time and room to regroup, and exacts high casualties from the enemy when the reckoning in the cauldron occurs.

A force in disorderly retreat has very little combat power. So the disorderly retreat tend not to greatly increase the survival rate of the retreating force compared to standing fast If the beseiging force‘s priority remains to destroy it. But at the same time the retreat frees the besieging enemy forces to maneuver, and give it additional options to seek other objectives.
 
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Russia may have deliberately left the encirclement around Severodonetsk open and may have trapped up to 200,000 members of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the potential cauldron.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1538140003049553920
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That means either the Russian forces would soon close the loop, trapping the 200 thousand AFU troops inside before pummelling them with large-yield munitions like the FOAB, missile strikes, carpet bombings, long-range artillery barragess, or any combination of these bombardment methods;

Or that if the Ukrainian General Staff has ordered those 200 thousand AFU troops to immediately evacuate the loop after confirming the MI6 intel, causing their hasty retreat and creating traffic jams on the very few roadways that leads from Severodonetsk to the west. The Russian forces would then proceed to bombard those few roadways that are stuck with many thousands of AFU troops with artillery barrages, missile strikes and bombing runs.

And compared to the first option where those AFU troops could just shelter in buildings across the city, the second option of being on the move would render them out in the open and exposed to Russian firepower.

If the later is true, then we may be seeing the Ukrainian version of the Highway of Death...
 
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ACuriousPLAFan said:
That means either the Russian forces would soon close the loop, trapping the 200 thousand AFU troops inside before pummelling them with large-yield munitions like the FOAB, missile strikes, carpet bombings, long-range artillery barragess, or any combination of these bombardment methods;

Or that if the Ukrainian General Staff has ordered those 200 thousand AFU troops to immediately evacuate the loop after confirming the MI6 intel, causing their hasty retreat and creating traffic jams on the very few roadways that leads from Severodonetsk to the west. The Russian forces would then proceed to bombard those few roadways that are stuck with many thousands of AFU troops with artillery barrages, missile strikes and bombing runs.

And compared to the first option where those AFU troops could just shelter in buildings across the city, the second option of being on the move would render them out in the open and exposed to Russian firepower.

If the later is true, then we may be seeing the Ukrainian version of the Highway of Death...
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Did you add an extra 0? I really doubt they have that many troops in the Severodonetsk-Lisichansk salient.
 
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Did you add an extra 0? I really doubt they have that many troops in the Severodonetsk-Lisichansk salient.
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I have no idea. I just quoted that figure from the Twitter post.

But even if the true figure is just a quarter of that reported figure, loosing 50,000 troops in just one location would still be a pretty heavy blow to the AFU.
 
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