Must be nice living in your own bubble lol
Meanwhile in the real world
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The War in the Ukraine
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Meanwhile in the real world
manqiangrexue
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My bubble is bigger than your "world" LOL
So, basically proving my point that Ukraine gets 1 or 2 hits (which Euros like to show from 80 different angles cus that's how special it is) while downplaying that Russia blew up 50 things in response and can hit Ukraine anywhere anytime, any number of times it wants.
This is the only thing you can muster up a response to? I could have sworn I wrote a lot more than this...
Your words, not mine. All those different angles so you don't say it's fake news (different targets btw) in just 1-2 days. And each had like 2-3 hits. Multiply per attack, per day, per week, per month. Nice cope
Feel free to spread your propaganda
"Ukraine targets maybe 1 or 2 every week" lmao
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manqiangrexue
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That's the average if I'm being very nice to Ukraine; just because they got hot for a week doesn't mean all Russian factories are under daily seige, talk about Euro propaganda to cope for always losing territory to Russia or the text wall of things Russia does to Ukraine everyday that @Tam always posts ROFL. Sometimes the US crashes 3 planes in 2 days; doesn't mean you can claim multiple American planes constantly fall out of the sky everyday.
During WW2 Allies bombed Ploesti in Romania, first bombing was conducted with 177 heavy bombers and it
lowered german oil production by 2%. Numerous other similar raids were done, and goal was to
lower production to 60-70%, which was eventually achieved
Overall, the Allies dropped roughly 13,000–13,300 tons of bombs on Ploesti (Ploiești) and its nearby refineries during WWII.
Now you're trying to persuade us that few drones will destroy Russian oil industry
Have people considered the possibility that the Russians would rather expand the war than retreat from the territory they annexed? Imagine a scenario where the Russians take over Donbas a year or two from now (seems very likely) and then offer Ukraine a deal: "We keep this territory, we agree to a ceasefire." If the Europeans/NATO/Ukraine refuse and continue their bombing campaign, I don't see the Russians just accepting that. They would have to go after the drone and missile factories in Europe.
The basic problem for Russia is that deterrence with the West has broken down to the point that politicians who urged Biden and the EU to be careful about what they supply to Ukraine (because of the Russian nuclear threat) are now being laughed at. The Europeans and NATO see the war as a cheap way (cheap if you don't care about Ukraine, which they don't) of striking at Russia without blowback. The only way out of this loop for Russia is to escalate.
The question is what will the Europeans/NATO do about it. They have several options:
1. They could march into Donbas or Russia proper. I don't see that happening. Can European/NATO leaders (especially Western European ones) survive tens of thousands of body bags? I say NO. I also don't see the U.S. getting embroiled in a continent-wide war with Russia while China is rising.
2. They could and would bomb Russia. They can't let the attack go unanswered. The problem is that exchanging missile and drone blows with Russia actually suits Russia. Russia is already being bombed. If the Europeans/NATO want a target in Russia bombed, they can just get Ukraine to do it. But this gives Russia the opening to target valuable infrastructure in Europe. I don't see the Europeans/NATO lasting long before they ask for ceasefire/deal.
My prediction is that after a couple of months of back-and-forth (and things like the blockade of Kaliningrad) they will sign a deal and call it a day. Because it is one thing to ask the Western public to simply give money to "tiny Ukraine being attacked by big-bad Russia", it is another thing to ask them to go to the trenches or live under years of bombardment. If things escalate out of control, Russia always has nukes. But for this to work, the Russians first have to achieve their aims. Expanding the war without taking over Donbas means they will never get it in the ensuing deal. Also, doing it before Trump leaves office is ideal for Russia.
The basic problem for Russia is that deterrence with the West has broken down to the point that politicians who urged Biden and the EU to be careful about what they supply to Ukraine (because of the Russian nuclear threat) are now being laughed at. The Europeans and NATO see the war as a cheap way (cheap if you don't care about Ukraine, which they don't) of striking at Russia without blowback. The only way out of this loop for Russia is to escalate.
The question is what will the Europeans/NATO do about it. They have several options:
1. They could march into Donbas or Russia proper. I don't see that happening. Can European/NATO leaders (especially Western European ones) survive tens of thousands of body bags? I say NO. I also don't see the U.S. getting embroiled in a continent-wide war with Russia while China is rising.
2. They could and would bomb Russia. They can't let the attack go unanswered. The problem is that exchanging missile and drone blows with Russia actually suits Russia. Russia is already being bombed. If the Europeans/NATO want a target in Russia bombed, they can just get Ukraine to do it. But this gives Russia the opening to target valuable infrastructure in Europe. I don't see the Europeans/NATO lasting long before they ask for ceasefire/deal.
My prediction is that after a couple of months of back-and-forth (and things like the blockade of Kaliningrad) they will sign a deal and call it a day. Because it is one thing to ask the Western public to simply give money to "tiny Ukraine being attacked by big-bad Russia", it is another thing to ask them to go to the trenches or live under years of bombardment. If things escalate out of control, Russia always has nukes. But for this to work, the Russians first have to achieve their aims. Expanding the war without taking over Donbas means they will never get it in the ensuing deal. Also, doing it before Trump leaves office is ideal for Russia.
Ukrainian SAM miss and falls on a residential area. There's back and forth accusations that the PAC-3s are expired missiles.
Russians hit another weapons depot in Kyiv, ending in a big explosion with secondary detonations. A rocket flies off and lands in a residential neighborhood.
Russians hit another weapons depot in Kyiv, ending in a big explosion with secondary detonations. A rocket flies off and lands in a residential neighborhood.
Publishing every Russian shell being fired on Ukraine is following the conflict? Or fanboyism maybe? How old are you son?
And about revolution in Russia, don't know, maybe because they allready had a few of them, say February and October, fall of USSR etc.?
And because Putin is obviously afraid to proclaim general mobilisation (on the other hand, he probably has no enough equipment to arm them anyway) especially in ethnic Russian parts of RF and big cities?
And because existential wars aren't being fought by professional military and foreign mercenaries from Cuba to N. Korea (but wars of choice/colonial conflicts are) but by mobilised reservists...
Modern day bombing and WW2 bombing aren't really directly comparable in terms of weight of explosives due to the much greater accuracy nowadays. Modern machinery is also much more precise, and delicate.
The fact that we can even entertain the thought of bombing Moscow itself shows how much the Russia's 'red lines' have been pushed in by Ukraine. In 2023, noone would have considered Ukraine bombing Moscow to be a possibility, we would have assumed it would result in vindictive reprisals. Now we know, Moscow is open season, and anywhere in Russia is now a valid target.
The fact that we can even entertain the thought of bombing Moscow itself shows how much the Russia's 'red lines' have been pushed in by Ukraine. In 2023, noone would have considered Ukraine bombing Moscow to be a possibility, we would have assumed it would result in vindictive reprisals. Now we know, Moscow is open season, and anywhere in Russia is now a valid target.