Pretty sure it's actually T-64BV instead of T-72s
The War in the Ukraine
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Once again I will repeat here how important it is to study an Army's doctrine before judging any action, this is important even for us who debate the subject, but it should be PRIORITY in the AFU High Command. It's the third time they've landed in a Russian Feigned Retreat. It was like this first in Kharkiv, then in Cobra Island and now in the Kherson region. To be more exact, they fell six times to the same trick that the Russians have adopted since they were still an Empire and perfected in military reform in 2008. Whenever the Russians take an offensive, with prior intelligence, they retreat before contact, hand over the field to the enemy to expose themselves and bomb with artillery and aviation until they run out of ammunition and then reconquer with a counteroffensive with the troops. The purpose of this is simple: decrease the amount of losses of contact troops (Infantry, Armored, etc) and destroy the maximum amount of enemy equipment.
The first time this was well documented in this war was in Kharkiv, where the Russians ceded a lot of ground and then closed a pincer on Slobozhanske, blasting a vanguard composed of elements of the 92nd Mechanized Brigade. The next day, they retreated from Ternova and Starystsya, bombed for two days and then retaken the cities without any physical combat, videos of the destruction of AFU troops are out there; a short time later, on Cobra Island, removing everyone from the island, letting them take and sending mecha until there was no more, reconquering the place without fighting between the SBU troops and the Russians, possibly MPR; and, finally, twice in Kherson, the first reported in Davyrid Brid and then once reported in Sukhyi Stavok to Bila Krynytsya.
What is more serious is that Ukraine was born in the USSR, has Military doctrine coming from the USSR and already in the USSR there are Russian manuals about the Feigned Retreat, which the Russians learned since they were still Kievan Rus and were invaded by the Mongols (then Horde Dourada), who used this tactic a lot. It's inconceivable to me that Ukrainians keep falling for the same tricks over and over and keep trying.
Not to mention other failures that go unexplained. For example, these counterattacks (like Severodonestsk) make no sense, as they simply ceded the territories. To me, it would make sense if the Russians had taken these territories after fierce resistance, which would have left Russian forces weakened to provide a counterattack. Giving in for free without even hurting the invading forces and then trying to launch a counterattack to try to take back is the kind of stupidity I haven't seen in history since Bernadotte handed Aderklaa to Charles at Wagram.
The first time this was well documented in this war was in Kharkiv, where the Russians ceded a lot of ground and then closed a pincer on Slobozhanske, blasting a vanguard composed of elements of the 92nd Mechanized Brigade. The next day, they retreated from Ternova and Starystsya, bombed for two days and then retaken the cities without any physical combat, videos of the destruction of AFU troops are out there; a short time later, on Cobra Island, removing everyone from the island, letting them take and sending mecha until there was no more, reconquering the place without fighting between the SBU troops and the Russians, possibly MPR; and, finally, twice in Kherson, the first reported in Davyrid Brid and then once reported in Sukhyi Stavok to Bila Krynytsya.
What is more serious is that Ukraine was born in the USSR, has Military doctrine coming from the USSR and already in the USSR there are Russian manuals about the Feigned Retreat, which the Russians learned since they were still Kievan Rus and were invaded by the Mongols (then Horde Dourada), who used this tactic a lot. It's inconceivable to me that Ukrainians keep falling for the same tricks over and over and keep trying.
Not to mention other failures that go unexplained. For example, these counterattacks (like Severodonestsk) make no sense, as they simply ceded the territories. To me, it would make sense if the Russians had taken these territories after fierce resistance, which would have left Russian forces weakened to provide a counterattack. Giving in for free without even hurting the invading forces and then trying to launch a counterattack to try to take back is the kind of stupidity I haven't seen in history since Bernadotte handed Aderklaa to Charles at Wagram.
T-62Ms have thermals? If my memory served me correct, T-62M modernization doesn't have any thermal sights for it's gunner
Quite late but new daily Southfront analysis:
They have a new night vision system yeah with other goodies.
Thermal sleeve. Relying on google translator for translation is too painful, even more so when it comes to reviewing a large amount of information material.
Abandoned M113 variant - same type seen in an earlier video of a Ukrainian convoy heading towards Severodonetsk.
Addresses this video:
Addresses this video:
They started to receive these Dutch m113 the 14th of May, they are now on the front line. At that speed of deployment, they don't have any logistic to repair them that followed most likely. Faulty anything and it's left there more or less. They have trained with them going to the front ?
Training no different from what the other Wunderwaffe operators achieved (M109). They’re really undercutting any hope of a “Fall Offensive.”
My assumption is that the reasoning behind this kind of mishaps is that it's purposeful to boost morale within domestic or international audiences with the context of usually "situation is under control" or "We are on the offensive and the Russians are running away and don't want to fight" etc, etc. It's mostly for PR stunt to boost morale with this so-called "offensive" even though they went straight to the bear's mouth and they fully aware of it.
I think this also correlated with the report of internal conflict between Ukrainian Armed Forces and its Political apparatus...