The War in the Ukraine

B777LR

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So, what’s everyone’s projections on when the Russians will bag their F16? Based on the track record on past western wunderwaffle introductions to Ukraine, the smart money says it won’t be long.

By Iskander, S-300/400 or air-to-air? IMO, former won't take long. Note however that the F-16s behind Zelensky don't look like they are operational. Both are F-16 ADFs. Retired aircraft used as decoys would be my guess, which is going to obfuscate any claims of F-16s hit on the ground.
 

RedBaron

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✅#Biweekly
#July

⚠️ Since Janurary 2024, the Russian Armed Forces have been improving their tactical position along the frontline - focusing on Avdeevka, Ugledar, Kupyansk, Chasovoy Yar, Volchansk, and Toretsk, and attacking areas in the Sumy Region.

Russian Forces have been advancing in certain areas, with the areas with the largest areas of advance is:

Avdeevka; 380.13 square kilometres (+43km2)
Kharkov; 224 square kilometres
Kupyansk; 101.15 square kilometres (+11km2)
Ugledar; 71.22 square kilometres (+10km2)
Toretsk; 59.1 square kilometres (+19km2)
Chasov Yar; 50.97 square kilometres (+4km2)
Krasnogorovka & Heorhiivka; 49.67 square kilometres (+4km2)
Zaporozhye; 46.55 square kilometres (+1km2)

Since the beginning of the year, In all areas of the frontline, Russian Forces captured an area equivalent to 1086.98 square kilometres, which is compared (60km2+) to July 16.

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sheogorath

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So, what’s everyone’s projections on when the Russians will bag their F16? Based on the track record on past western wunderwaffle introductions to Ukraine, the smart money says it won’t be long.

At the moment, the F-16 biggest threat will be the MiG-31's and without a doubt they will be a priority for these. I see there is a lot of "wunderwaffen" hopium going around, as well.


Ukraine keeps using FPV drones to attack random people around Belgorod

 

Sinnavuuty

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The Deep State confirms that the defensive system in the Avdiivka-Ocheretino-Pokrovsk direction is collapsing. The volume of Russian troops brought into the sector and the different directions of attack undertaken have gradually exhausted the capacity of Ukrainian reserves. A few days ago, the presence of the Russian 27th Motorized Rifle Division (and its 3 regiments: the 433rd Regiment, the 506th Regiment and the 589th Regiment) in this sector was already recorded, which significantly increased the combat power of the Russian troops.
 

Tam

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Finally someone translated the audio footage of a Su-34 evading multiple Patriot missiles. The track has been out in the Internet for sometime now but I have not gotten a good translation of it until now. Ground controller or probably an AEW aircraft made aware to the Su-34 that he was fired upon via datalink. The missiles were launched around 80km of the target, which suggests this is the missile's operational range, and travelled at Mach 3.3.


The end of two Leopard 1 tanks, one via Lancet and the other via Krasnopol fired from a MSTA-S.

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The work of the Sparta Battalion, among other kills, Maxxpro, Bradleys, Senators, and two Marders. The unit is currently with the Center Group.

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Krab SPG gets nailed by Russian artillery, either by a guided shell or some precise shooting.


A base of the AFU 47th Brigade gets nailed by an X-38ML, a missile that I see more commonly used to bust bridges, but increasingly used to bust some bases.


TOS-2 at work in the Pokrovsk direction. At the expense of fewer rockets, the TOS-2 has longer range, greater mobility, cheaper and faster to make than the TOS-1A.

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A TCC car is burned in Odessa.

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Ukrainian engineering vehicle hit by a Lancet.

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Another MT-LB improvised Waffentrager, this time we got an MT-12 Rapira on top of an MT-LB in service with the 40th Marine Brigade of the RuAF. Might be a neat idea for WoT or War Thunder.

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The daily FABing of Volchansk.

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Baba Yaga got landed by Russian EW. It's carrying an antitank mine.

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Strela-10 gets knocked out by Lancet.

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A Stryker gets finished off by FPV drones.

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TK3600

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The condescending and patronizing attitude does not help tremendously (as by calling in a generalization all lurkers who post here "idiots") to not take the whole analysis with skepticism, even if understanding many of its points and considering some valid.
It is the same guy claiming leopard 1 tanks are superior to modernized Russian T-72, cuz 'situational awareness'. Then gets mad at me disagreeing started doing psycho analysis on me, no joke. He seems to be very adamant on a subject he has no education in nevermind psychoanalysis fell out of practice since the 80's due to little empirical support. Although if you ask me, this is to be expected, given his tendency to be wrong in other areas like military, while simultaneously being smug about it.
 

HighGround

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The condescending and patronizing attitude does not help tremendously (as by calling in a generalization all lurkers who post here "idiots") to not take the whole analysis with skepticism, even if understanding many of its points and considering some valid.
Well the most comical thing to me has always been this endless cycle of praising Ukraine, praising NATO equipment, and then blaming Ukraine for NATO equipment failing, but then also noting that Russians are just the worst at equipment and tactics. *yawn*

"Ukraine is amazing. With NATO equipment they'll be unstoppable"

"NATO equipment > Russian equipment"

"NATO equipment wont help without the right tactics. Ukraine didnt use the right tactics"

"Ukraine is bad at NATO tactics, but Russians are even worse. Theyre gainning ground at 10:1 casualty ratios!"

It's very offensive frankly, to Ukraine, not just Russia. This is a tough war with two capable opponents, probably the closest we've gone to near-peer conflict in... maybe even a century. Much like the American Civil War and the Franco-Prussian war, the failure to heed the lessons of this war will lead to mass casualties and stalemate in the next one.

There is a lot of technological adaptation and tactical adaptation that must be done, but lots of relearning of fundamentals as well.

NATO likes to complain about how they are not ready for this level of attrition, well NATO isn't ready for this level of tactical innovation either... NATO armies don't have UAV companies. I'm not aware of any FPV units in NATO, and to my knowledge, NATO isn't anywhere close to proliferating EW among its units to the level that Russia and Ukraine does it.

I'm not saying NATO is worthless or whatever, NATO armies enjoy plenty of other advantages, but officers, pundits, and analysts really need to approach the study of this conflict with a level of humility that I frankly don't see a whole lot of. This is why I still enjoy watching Bronk, Kofman, and Lee. I don't always agree with them, but they display a level of objectivity and intellectual rigor that you just don't see expressed in the general media.
 

TK3600

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Well the most comical thing to me has always been this endless cycle of praising Ukraine, praising NATO equipment, and then blaming Ukraine for NATO equipment failing, but then also noting that Russians are just the worst at equipment and tactics. *yawn*

"Ukraine is amazing. With NATO equipment they'll be unstoppable"

"NATO equipment > Russian equipment"

"NATO equipment wont help without the right tactics. Ukraine didnt use the right tactics"

"Ukraine is bad at NATO tactics, but Russians are even worse. Theyre gainning ground at 10:1 casualty ratios!"

It's very offensive frankly, to Ukraine, not just Russia. This is a tough war with two capable opponents, probably the closest we've gone to near-peer conflict in... maybe even a century. Much like the American Civil War and the Franco-Prussian war, the failure to heed the lessons of this war will lead to mass casualties and stalemate in the next one.

There is a lot of technological adaptation and tactical adaptation that must be done, but lots of relearning of fundamentals as well.

NATO likes to complain about how they are not ready for this level of attrition, well NATO isn't ready for this level of tactical innovation either... NATO armies don't have UAV companies. I'm not aware of any FPV units in NATO, and to my knowledge, NATO isn't anywhere close to proliferating EW among its units to the level that Russia and Ukraine does it.

I'm not saying NATO is worthless or whatever, NATO armies enjoy plenty of other advantages, but officers, pundits, and analysts really need to approach the study of this conflict with a level of humility that I frankly don't see a whole lot of. This is why I still enjoy watching Bronk, Kofman, and Lee. I don't always agree with them, but they display a level of objectivity and intellectual rigor that you just don't see expressed in the general media.
The reality is Ukraine is far better trained than NATO staff sent to teach them. I recall an interview of Ukrainian soldier complaining NATO officers has never heard of using drone reconnaisance at individual level. But of course, acknowledge Ukrainian tactical experience over them would means acknowledge Russian tactical experience is equal or superior, for beating Ukrainians, which by extension, beats their own NATO training. Can't have that happening. Because they value optics more than chance to learn, they will fail even harder next time, when world move on to even more advanced tactics.
 

curiousguy

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The reality is Ukraine is far better trained than NATO staff sent to teach them. I recall an interview of Ukrainian soldier complaining NATO officers has never heard of using drone reconnaisance at individual level. But of course, acknowledge Ukrainian tactical experience over them would means acknowledge Russian tactical experience is equal or superior, for beating Ukrainians, which by extension, beats their own NATO training. Can't have that happening. Because they value optics more than chance to learn, they will fail even harder next time, when world move on to even more advanced tactics.
Most NATO instructors and advisors, including veteran ones, didn't have any combat experience against peer/near-peer adversaries while a lot of Ukrainian service members do
 
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