The War in the Ukraine

Stealthflanker said:

It has effect of course. But just like attack on Saratov or Engels i would believe the NATO patron would consult the Russians about it. So nothing will happen.

For me tho it's kinda Ukraine is trying to provoke Russia into panic mode.

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This is why Germany and the US have cold feets with regards letting Ukraine hit targets inside Russia proper with western weapons as it is a whole different animal altogether when you have a NATO proxy using NATO weapons trying to take out ABM's systems.

Santamaria said:

That is a quite dangerous movement for Ukraine and NATO.

Does not it fall under the reasons for a nuclear answer under the Russian nuclear doctrine?

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It's technically triggers the act 19c of the Russian nuclear doctrine response decree.


It remains on Putin however on whether he decide to nuclear response or not. One thing for sure tho i doubt Putin will take that bait.. just as NATO didnt do a thing when Russian missiles actually landed on Poland. No one really wants to trade Ukraine for the whole Northern Hemisphere.

This footage is remarkable. A Ukrainian soldier stole an entire Ukrainian tank just to go over the lines and surrender to the Russians.


Russians increasingly disrupting Starlink service in Ukraine.


Arrival of an ODAB-1500 from the Ukrainian point of view.


Destroyed AFU MRAPs after Russian strikes.


Arrival of ODAB-1500 with UMPK at Gulyaypol.


Aftermath of Iskander attack at a Kharkhiv railway station. Won't be operating for a while.


FPV drone hits Humvee head on. Volchansk area.


Ukrainian T-72 hit by Lancet in the Kharkhiv region.


Four UMPB D-30SN dropped from an Su-34. They significantly exceed the range of FABs with UMPK.


A Gvozdika SPG (says Akasya on the video) being delivered by a tractor to the Kharkhiv front, gets hit by a Lancet.


Ukrainian howitzer hit by a Lancet with a thermal imager.


Ukrainian vehicles in Zaporozhye attacked by FPV drones by the 38th and 64th MR Brigades in Zaporozhye.


Ukrainian deployment point in a house gets Krasnopoled in Kurakhovsky by the 238th.


Ukrainian howitzers in the Kharkhiv region getting hit by Lancets.


Improperly camouflaged D-20 howitzer gets Lanceted. By the 238th.


Russian flag planted in Umanske by the 114th.


Iskander hit on a large gathering of Ukrainian forces in Izium.

Tam said:

Four UMPB D-30SN dropped from an Su-34. They significantly exceed the range of FABs with UMPK.

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FAB is a stop gap solution, we will see these d-30sn replace most of the FAB drops. Old bomb stockpiles are probably going empty and newer plenty.

This guy is from Bilibili but now he's on YouTube to give an English version account of his mappings. I would recommend watching, he has a detailed knowledge of the respective ORBAT on both sides.

sheogorath said:

This is why Germany and the US have cold feets with regards letting Ukraine hit targets inside Russia proper with western weapons as it is a whole different animal altogether when you have a NATO proxy using NATO weapons trying to take out ABM's systems.

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Oh this policy looks like is going to change really soon by the way US officials are talking.

SolarWarden said:

Oh this policy looks like is going to change really soon by the way US officials are talking.

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They sure need to be reminded that the road to hell is paved by good intentions.

Stealthflanker said:

They sure need to be reminded that the road to hell is paved by good intentions.

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Nothing will change even after Ukraine ATACMs start landing in Russian territory. How many times are the Russians going to say not this redline? If anything looks like they are ready to talk.

SolarWarden said:

Nothing will change even after Ukraine ATACMs start landing in Russian territory. How many times are the Russians going to say not this redline? If anything looks like they are ready to talk.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1793932749742444595

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and i guess the source are anonymous as usual. But anyway there already several peace talks which lead to nowhere.

SolarWarden said:

Nothing will change even after Ukraine ATACMs start landing in Russian territory. How many times are the Russians going to say not this redline? If anything looks like they are ready to talk.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1793932749742444595

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Well, with them advancing in the battlefield, their economy going well and so on I guess they don’t have a reason to implement a red line and risk the destruction of the world.

We should thank they are pragmatic and not ego guided.

However destruction of OTH radars that give warning of possible nuclear attack is quite a serious topic.
Whatever Ukraine have done so far have never put in risk the life of anyone in the Russian political elite, the possibility of an un notice nuclear attack is a clear risk for them.
Would be very unwise to judge that they will not respond.

It’s kinda the same than a men will not answer the same if you almost kill his dog than if you almost kill his son.

BTW, that stuff about the negotiations have been denied directly and explicitly by Peskov.