The War in the Ukraine

Sinnavuuty

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It’s True. The Russian Army Attacked Ukrainian Positions In Open-Top Golf Carts.​


But two years into Russia’s wider war on Ukraine, Russian commanders are at least reckless if not not insane. Apparently this weekend, a Russian unit—possibly the 488th Motor Rifle Regiment—attacked positions held by the Ukrainian 60th Mechanized Brigade in Yampolivka, in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk Oblast.

A Russian column including what appeared to be MT-LB armored tractors and at least one T-90 tank motored west toward Yampolivka. That itself wasn’t unusual. What was unusual was what else was in the assault group.

Several Desertcross 1000-3 ATVs. The Chinese-made Desertcross is an 85-horsepower ATV. It’s the kind of thing you’d find at a construction site or on a farm. It’s not the kind of thing you’d ride into battle, as it lacks armor and weaponry.

But as Russian vehicle losses exceeded 10,000 late last year, the Kremlin bought 2,100 Desertcrosses for $17,000 apiece—and shipped them off to Ukraine. While it makes sense for Russian regiments to use the ATVs as utility vehicles in rear areas, it doesn’t make sense to load them up with infantry and add them to assault groups.

That’s exactly what some callous Russian commander did this weekend. And with predictable results. As the assault group closed to within a quarter mile or so of the outermost Ukrainian positions, the 60th Brigade peppered the group with cluster shells then plucked at it with explosives-laden drones.
The Russian commander was very stupid to order this.
 

supersnoop

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I don't think these things are mounted on small corvettes though. I can't recall a similar system on any LCS off the top of my head.
Is anything really working on LCS? hahaha

Jokes aside, it's definitely on US ships they feel are in danger of these attacks in any case.

The PLAN photo was from a 056 corvette.

PLAN also has a 14.5mm version and the Mk38 is adding a 7.62mm coaxial MG.

As mentioned, Buyan is equipped with 3M47 Gibkha which can be modified with ATGM
The problem for the Russian navy is being slow to respond to this threat.
 

plawolf

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The Russian commander was very stupid to order this.

Looks more like a failure of comms. The tank and IFVs were meant to assault and take the position while the ATVs were meant to bring in additional troops to secure the objective. The spearhead got taken out and nobody told the follow up unit to stand down. Stupid, but happens more often then anyone would like to admit in real life.
 

Totoro

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That jet powered bomb got me thinking, why not use a rocket motor? Would that not be cheaper? As long as we are talking about medium range, 100ish km weapon?

Then that got me thinking, why not cut up surplus air to air missiles (which are obviously not in high demand) and mate their rocket motors to a umpk module?

Then that got me thinking, if there are issues to that approach, why not use entire r-27R AA missile and repurpose it to AG weapon? It's really not that hard to do it.

You remove the seeker, which weigh 33 kg. You remove the fuze section which must weight another several kg. You replace the battery section with a smaller and lighter one.
You add the kometa satnav module and the logic board, literally taking it from the umpk kit, and link it to missile fin actuators.

Adding the 39 kg for existing warhead you could probably get 80-90 kg worth of warhead in this new weapon, without chsnging its weight and without meaningfully altering its weight distribution.

In a loftwd profile, against a ground target, such a powered bomb should easily double (if not triple) the range of the r27R in its original role. We're talking about 150-200 km. Probably over 250 km for the ER variant.

And given that the missile is designed to handle greater loads while turning, a simple gliding profile should be able to be maintained even with a heavier warhead. Guidance and fuze section is fairly volumious so a heavier warhead could fit in its space. Possibly quite a bit over 100 kg in weight.

Added benefits would be: terminal speed at target likely supersonic.
Sizable numbers of r27r produced. I dont know how many, but i doubt ruaf has fewer than 10000.

Ease of integration to planes, little need for separation testing.

Even regular su-27 and mig29 could launch them.

Plus r27r is largely obsolete for AA anyway and will likely be thrown away anyway soon. Ruaf is slowly getting enough r77 to replace them.
 

Tam

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T-64BV gets Krasnopoled.

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36D6 air search radar gets whacked by a Lancet. The Lancet seems more effective than anti-radar missiles.

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Ukrainian ATGM nest on a building gets hit by Krasnopol.

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The work of a ZALA Z-16 and a Lancet, taking out a Ukrainian howitzer.

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Artillery takes out a Ukrainian ammo depot in occupied DPR territory.

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Ukrainian T-72 gets hit by a Lancet.

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Ukrainian air defense shot down a Ukrainian MiG-29. Apparently a blue on blue.

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Vampire RM-70 MLRS gets taken out by Lancet.

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The sound of multiple Gerans arriving in Krivoy Rog.

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Artillery hits a house where a Ukrainian team is located. Likely a Krasnopol shot again.

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Ukrainian tank burns in the Avdeyevka direction.

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Wreckage of a Ukrainian drone falls upon a polyclinic in Kursk.

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A hanger used by Ukrainian troops gets hit by a FAB.


Lancets take out two howitzers and a counterbattery radar in the Ukrainian side of the Dniepr.


FAB-1500 hits Ukrainian positions in Krasnogorovka.


FAB-250 launched from an Su-34 destroys hanger with a Krab SPG inside it.

 

Tam

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FABs hitting forest line near Rovnopol, Yuzhno-Donetsk.

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Ukrainian temporary base hit with LMUR.

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Ugledar getting hit with FABs.

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Another Ukrainian air defense system gets taken out, launchers and radar either by Iskander or Tornado-S. There is dispute as with other previous recent footages that it's an S-300 or Patriot.

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Two ATGMs take out the Ukrainian APC.

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Ukrainian tank gets taken out by Krasnopol fired from a MSTA-B howitzer belonging to the 238th.

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UMPB. Long thin body with jet engine and wings, this is speculated and I think likely that it's the Russian analog to the GLSDB fired from a Tornado-S.

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Multistory building in Kherson hit by a FAB. Maybe being used as a barracks.

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VT-40 drone hits car with Ukrainian drone operators.

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FABs hitting Ukrainian positions in Georgievka.

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