Interesting image…
… and if true and even more interesting result of that strike (even if not yet confirmed):
… and if true and even more interesting result of that strike (even if not yet confirmed):
The War in the Ukraine
- Thread starter SampanViking
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Here's video of scalp/storm shadow hitting building
Ok I get it if true they took out this Admiral however Russian Generals and Admirals are a dime of dozen in Russia's military world. Many of them have been killed by Ukraine and purged by Russia itself so the point I'm getting to is wouldn't have been better to target ships docked at Sevastopol? Couple of juicy targets were towed in a few days ago one being a missile frigate. Taking that out that frigate (in my armchair general opinion) would do more for Ukraine especially when it comes to its cargo ships safe passage.
Just saying.
Who says they won't take out the juicy targets? Seemingly no shortage of missiles and not much Russia can do to stop them.
Probably mapping gaps in the Russian AD network
If I recall correctly the HQ was previously attacked by UAV some months back, it would be insane for the Russians to continue to utilise it as a CnC centre when Ukraine obtained cruise missiles.
Ukraine did have a navy. They even had frigates. Just all obsolete from Soviet times. Emphasis on "had". And which 19 vessels? Are you counting things like Raptor patrol boats or what?
It is hardly surprising that Russia is having some losses operating in a relatively small constrained body of water like the Black Sea. Ever heard of what happened to frigate USS Stark in the Persian Gulf? Or the attack on USS Cole in Yemen?
A NATO stealth cruise missile developed to hit targets even if protected by AD. Some of them pass through the air defense network. Big whoop. This will only lead Russia to speed up its upgrade to more modern versions of Pantsir and Tor which can engage these targets at longer ranges. Russia already have modernized variants with AESA radar for example which have better range against targets with stealth characteristics. This will harden up Russia and their weapon customers AD against a future NATO strike as Russia develops specific counter measures. Also if these modernized systems enter wide use, you can pretty much guarantee they will also be effective against stealth fighters which have much larger signatures than a smallish cruise missile.
Surprising that you still even give credence to unconfirmed Ukrainian claims of kills of Russian top level personnel at this point. Most of them prove to be BS. They also claimed they killed the captain of the Moskva cruiser just because they happened to hit it. Ukraine hits something and then they claim they achieved maximal results on the target.
If he did die, and wasn't working out of a bunker in the basement or something, then it was just natural selection.
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You might not know that but those missiles are used mainly for this purpose - destroy bunkers, basements or something.
Finally a thing that should be done in the first days of the war happening.
Difference is the US wasn't at war with Yemen or with Iran and Iraq. Both of those ships would have been in different state of alert if they were at war with these nations at that time. Just look at desert storm and the plethora of naval ships that were there.
Russia losing naval warships with the means to defend itself against the nation they are at war with that has no navy just reeks of incompetence.
Honestly I think one of the biggest fuckups of the war was Russia's decision to always go full domestic and not buy any chinese military hardware before the war started. It's kinda insane to think that despite being allies and Russia deciding to invade the 2nd largest country in Europe on it's lonesome, Russia hasn't actually bought any chinese military hardware before, they do buy commercial stuff like DJI drones, radios or components like tires, electronics, bearings and raw materials but not ever a complete weapon system.
Yeah hindsight is 20/20 and there's good reasons for Russia choosing not to buy Chinese weapons systems, Russian equipment being fairly good on it's own especially when compared to Ukraine, Russia being fairly broke, Russia wanting to support it's domestic arms industry and not wanting to look bad in front of their massive arms export market. But I can't help but think that one of the biggest reasons is the Russia believing their own hype about the "2nd most powerful military" and looking down on chinese hardware as always, I find even the average Russian to be quite arrogant, especially towards China even to this day.
Russia must have known that they would get sanctioned after the invasion, that China wouldn't be able to ship them much weapons after the sanctions kicked in in fear of losing it's access to the Western market. That Ukraine was going to be very different from all of their previous invasions, considering it's one of the largest countries in Europe, or that America/NATO/Europe would be providing heavy support to Ukraine.
Chinese hardware generally outclassed Russian hardware, especially in areas like drones, electronics, radar, software and precision weapons, important force multipliers. Even if chinese equipment were equal, or even inferior, having a massive stockpile when deciding to invade the 2nd largest country in Europe would have been a good idea, especially when you know that you're gonna to be sanctioned to death as soon as the war started. Not to mention that smuggling ammo and replacement parts is easier than smuggling in an entire artillery battery or tank division.
Of course, it won't help much now, even if China were to start shipping in large amounts of hardware today. But it would have helped greatly in the initial invasion, in their push to Kiev, if Russia had a few billion dollars worth of carefully selected chinese weapons designed to shore up their weakness in electronic warfare, drone/anti-drone warfare etc etc, things could have gone very differently. And as I said before, smuggling ammo to a MRLS battery is a lot easier than smuggling in an MRLS battery.
It would greatly benefit China too, seeing as it would be a great opportunity to see how chinese hardware stacks up in an actual war and against NATO hardware and it they performed well, a great advisement for their performance to the world and the international arms market. If I were in charge of China, I would have offered Putin a big discount on weapon systems before the war started, granted that Russia provided China with all the raw data and an extensive report on how the hardware performed.
Instead we get this mess of a war where Putin is now asking Iran and north korea of all countries for weapons and ammo, because when you're desperate enough, anything goes. And chinese equipment, despite not even really being in the conflict, are also having their name dragged though the mud alongside with Russia, because the general public tends to lump the two countries military equipment/technology together espically with the long history of chinese/russian weapon development, where Russia has historically been the leader until the last 10 years or so. All because the Russian military industrial complex couldn't get their head out of their ass and see past their own propaganda.
Yeah hindsight is 20/20 and there's good reasons for Russia choosing not to buy Chinese weapons systems, Russian equipment being fairly good on it's own especially when compared to Ukraine, Russia being fairly broke, Russia wanting to support it's domestic arms industry and not wanting to look bad in front of their massive arms export market. But I can't help but think that one of the biggest reasons is the Russia believing their own hype about the "2nd most powerful military" and looking down on chinese hardware as always, I find even the average Russian to be quite arrogant, especially towards China even to this day.
Russia must have known that they would get sanctioned after the invasion, that China wouldn't be able to ship them much weapons after the sanctions kicked in in fear of losing it's access to the Western market. That Ukraine was going to be very different from all of their previous invasions, considering it's one of the largest countries in Europe, or that America/NATO/Europe would be providing heavy support to Ukraine.
Chinese hardware generally outclassed Russian hardware, especially in areas like drones, electronics, radar, software and precision weapons, important force multipliers. Even if chinese equipment were equal, or even inferior, having a massive stockpile when deciding to invade the 2nd largest country in Europe would have been a good idea, especially when you know that you're gonna to be sanctioned to death as soon as the war started. Not to mention that smuggling ammo and replacement parts is easier than smuggling in an entire artillery battery or tank division.
Of course, it won't help much now, even if China were to start shipping in large amounts of hardware today. But it would have helped greatly in the initial invasion, in their push to Kiev, if Russia had a few billion dollars worth of carefully selected chinese weapons designed to shore up their weakness in electronic warfare, drone/anti-drone warfare etc etc, things could have gone very differently. And as I said before, smuggling ammo to a MRLS battery is a lot easier than smuggling in an MRLS battery.
It would greatly benefit China too, seeing as it would be a great opportunity to see how chinese hardware stacks up in an actual war and against NATO hardware and it they performed well, a great advisement for their performance to the world and the international arms market. If I were in charge of China, I would have offered Putin a big discount on weapon systems before the war started, granted that Russia provided China with all the raw data and an extensive report on how the hardware performed.
Instead we get this mess of a war where Putin is now asking Iran and north korea of all countries for weapons and ammo, because when you're desperate enough, anything goes. And chinese equipment, despite not even really being in the conflict, are also having their name dragged though the mud alongside with Russia, because the general public tends to lump the two countries military equipment/technology together espically with the long history of chinese/russian weapon development, where Russia has historically been the leader until the last 10 years or so. All because the Russian military industrial complex couldn't get their head out of their ass and see past their own propaganda.
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