The War in the Ukraine

This war seems to be really grinding on? I wonder what the end result will look like?

Relations between Ukraine and Moscow are going to be destroyed for a generation or more. So far, it doesn't seem like the Ukrainian people would are willing to accept anything other then full Russian withdrawal. On the other hand, Russia seems to be fine continuing the war at its current pace.

Outside of the two belligerents, NATO members have so far shown a strong appetite to support Ukraine. The war has also expanded NATO to included Finland and likely Sweden as well. Outside of that, member countries are also committing to investing in their production of ammunition and missiles. For example, the US will producing over 1 million 155mm shells per year within the next couple of years.

TK3600 said:

That is a good point. I think this is the real reason why Russia had such strong reaction on potential F-16 transfer.

Click to expand...

I doubt that's the real reason, A Block 50 F-16C is already an outdated aircraft, still using a slotted array planar for a radar. It would have problems detecting cruise missiles and stealthy drones at long range and an AMRAAM would have difficulty locking onto slow stealthy objects at range flying at tree height altitudes. Outdated radars won't help. AMRAAM vs. Geran is an extremely poor exchange in terms of economics that's like sending Ferraris to crash into Toyota Corollas. That is if it can manage to lock into one in the first place.

The real reason is that this level of escalation means the relationship between Europe and Russia won't be normal for decades, which means so will Russia's economic dependency to China and India last as long.

In separate news.

Another Stryker from the AFU's 82nd burns.


More Strykers destroyed. One Stryker has a mine trawl.



Wagner and Prigozhyn is back in Africa hunting for Islamic militants. But my guess is that Niger is the real reason.


AFU vehicles burning in the Berkhova region, done in by the RU's 200th Brigade.


AFU tank trying to rescue an IFV fallen into a crater made by a FAB bomb. A Lancet strikes the tank.


Hidden howitzer hit by a Lancet.


Fighting inside Rabotino. AFU tank gets hit by ATGM and AFU IFV runs off.

Tam said:

I doubt that's the real reason, A Block 50 F-16C is already an outdated aircraft, still using a slotted array planar for a radar. It would have problems detecting cruise missiles and stealthy drones at long range and an AMRAAM would have difficulty locking onto slow stealthy objects at range flying at tree height altitudes. Outdated radars won't help. AMRAAM vs. Geran is an extremely poor exchange in terms of economics that's like sending Ferraris to crash into Toyota Corollas. That is if it can manage to lock into one in the first place.

The real reason is that this level of escalation means the relationship between Europe and Russia won't be normal for decades, which means so will Russia's economic dependency to China and India last as long.

Click to expand...

I mean the point about NATO pretending to be piloted by Ukrainians and use their own F-16 for fighting.

Tam said:

I doubt that's the real reason, A Block 50 F-16C is already an outdated aircraft, still using a slotted array planar for a radar. It would have problems detecting cruise missiles and stealthy drones at long range and an AMRAAM would have difficulty locking onto slow stealthy objects at range flying at tree height altitudes. Outdated radars won't help. AMRAAM vs. Geran is an extremely poor exchange in terms of economics that's like sending Ferraris to crash into Toyota Corollas. That is if it can manage to lock into one in the first place.

The real reason is that this level of escalation means the relationship between Europe and Russia won't be normal for decades, which means so will Russia's economic dependency to China and India last as long.

Click to expand...

F-16Cs are a perfectly capable jet and better than anything the Ukrainians have currently.

The problem is, as explained by UkAF's air commander:
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussianWarFootage/comments/15wgn8o
He also didn't mention ground based Russian air defence, which another can of worms.

The UkAF is up against such overwhelming superiority there's not much a token number of F-16s can change. It explains why the recent was a confirmation that the Ukrainians WON'T be getting F-16s any time soon. The Americans were careful to include the phrase" when the Ukrainian pilots are deemed ready", in other words not any time soon. We all know the reason why, Americans think it'll look bad if F-16s start get shot down like the Soviet jets had have been.

I think the Ukrainians should be given access to the F-16 now, having them at hand with less experienced pilots is significantly better than not having them at all. Even if they are shot down, it's not like the Americans are going to run out of F-16s. All the American decisions shows is that the need to protect the reputation of American equipment precedes the Ukrainian war effort.

Ukrainian position spotted by drone and hit with an air strike on the Dniepr Delta.


Ka-52 strikes a APC which looks Western, in South Donetsk


Osman Army special unit hits AFU vehicles at Zaporhyzhia.


Knocked out Ukrainian tank with mine clearance equipment.


We don't hear much about Marinka lately, as the town appears completely leveled, the Ukrainians are not keen on defending it anymore and the Russians are no longer just as keen in taking it over. Instead the fighting has moved to the surrounding areas. Here an M777 gets knocked out by Russian artillery.


AFU warehouse in Maryinsky area hit by a possible air strike.


Strela-10 takes out AFU UAVs.

SolarWarden said:

Russian armored assault in Bakhmut ended in disaster.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1693363225331433877

Click to expand...

Another failed attempt by Russian armor in Bakhmut.

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result...

The battle of the Russian T-90M "Proryv" tank with the support of two BMP-3s in Ukraine. An abbreviated episode of the attack of the Russian T-90M Proryv tank and two BMP-3 armored vehicles in Ukraine. A mechanized Russian group of the 85th brigade enters Kleshcheyevka and, under the cover of the lead tank T-90M Proryv, carries out a landing from two BMP-3 armored vehicles. After the suppression of the positions of the Ukrainian army and the landing of troops, the tank puts a smoke screen and, together with the BMP-3 armored vehicles, retreats to their original positions. There is no information about the further course of the battle.

Soldier30 said:

The battle of the Russian T-90M "Proryv" tank with the support of two BMP-3s in Ukraine. An abbreviated episode of the attack of the Russian T-90M Proryv tank and two BMP-3 armored vehicles in Ukraine. A mechanized Russian group of the 85th brigade enters Kleshcheyevka and, under the cover of the lead tank T-90M Proryv, carries out a landing from two BMP-3 armored vehicles. After the suppression of the positions of the Ukrainian army and the landing of troops, the tank puts a smoke screen and, together with the BMP-3 armored vehicles, retreats to their original positions. There is no information about the further course of the battle.

Click to expand...

That’s old!

SlothmanAllen said:

This war seems to be really grinding on? I wonder what the end result will look like?

Relations between Ukraine and Moscow are going to be destroyed for a generation or more. So far, it doesn't seem like the Ukrainian people would are willing to accept anything other then full Russian withdrawal. On the other hand, Russia seems to be fine continuing the war at its current pace.

Click to expand...

You are using the very narrow western media definition of “Ukrainian”. Don’t forget that many of the people of the “separatist” regions did consider themselves Ukrainian up until those questionable referenda. Even if somehow there is a full Russian withdrawal, there would be a terribly divided country.

Lancet takes out an M777 once again.


A Russian FPV drone with a twist, mounting an RPG-26, which is fired at a target.


Recovery of downed AFU drone at Krasnagorsk as a result of a failed attack where two drones were shot down, and two landed by EW.


AFU tank, likely from the Ukrainian 82nd, hit by FPV drone in Rabotino. Courtesy of the VDV. Could be the start of a new drone trend.


Destroyed Stryker and T-72 tank, the Stryker should belong the 82nd. Photo credit to the VDV. Have yet to see the Challenger tanks of the 82nd deployed, I wonder why.


FPV drone strike from the 68th Army against an AFU mortar nest in Ugledar.


Not as common but we like to see more posted. This is a LMUR attack from a Mi-28N against a Ukrainian fortification in Staromayorsky. LMUR attacks appear to be conducted from longer ranges and greater heights than Vikhr, and I suspect this might be laser guided.


AFU advancing along forest belts of Urozhayne but falls under artillery fire after drone spotted.


AFU troops at the Antonovsky Bridge. Their shelter was tracked by drone and hit by artillery.