The War in the Ukraine

Soldier30

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Attack of 3 Ukrainian infantry fighting vehicles in the Zaporozhye direction. Footage of the attack of three Ukrainian BMP-1s in the Zaporozhye direction in January of this year has been published. The positions of the Russian reconnaissance group of the army special forces and marines of the 177th regiment of the Caspian flotilla were attacked. Three Ukrainian BMP-1s came close to the Russian positions and landed troops. As a result of the ensuing battle, after one of the BMPs was damaged, the Ukrainian units retreated. The details of the battle are unknown, according to the results of the battle, there are wounded on both sides.


A short episode of an oncoming tank battle has been published, a Russian T-80BVM tank, under the command of a fighter with the call sign Altai, with a Ukrainian tank, presumably T-64. Reportedly, a Ukrainian tank leaving the forest belt was attacked by a T-80BVM tank. The video shows part of the battle, where the T-80BVM tank fires a second time at a Ukrainian tank and undermines its ammunition load.

 

SolarWarden

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They'll likely get them in batches likely two squadrons at a time (24) but it does look like the Vipers Ukraine are getting will be aim-120c7/c8 capable and just about every a2g weapon in European inventory and US too.


Since Ukraine doesn't have to worry about Russian aircraft I think what is thee most important capability Ukraine needs for its Vipers are SEAD/DEAD capability.
 

gelgoog

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I doubt those F-16s will be in good condition. The Dutch F-16s for example are at the end of their lifetime. They would need major work which would take several months if not a year to refurbish properly. And they will be totally outmatched in terms of radar by the Su-35 and MiG-31BM aircraft the Russians have. So then you start with the question if they will use NATO AWACS aircraft to cue the F-16s to compensate for their lack of radar or not. If they do it, then Russia will have a viable motive for shooting NATO AWACS down.
 

Zichan

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Since Ukraine doesn't have to worry about Russian aircraft I think what is thee most important capability Ukraine needs for its Vipers are SEAD/DEAD capability.
Excuse me? Russian aircraft have been instrumental in keeping the Ukrainian Air Force at bay. This is according to a report by the UK’s RUSI. The same report went on to say that the only two countries that would be able to defeat Ukraine’s GBAD in short order are the US and Israel. European countries don’t have enough experience in SEAD/DEAD to pull it off without US assistance.
 

Right_People

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this is a good point. to counter this russia will really have to up their production of iskander and kinzhal, in order to hit the airbases that house these f-16s.
I don't think the Iskander has the range to attack a large number of the airfields.

I doubt those F-16s will be in good condition. The Dutch F-16s for example are at the end of their lifetime. They would need major work which would take several months if not a year to refurbish properly. And they will be totally outmatched in terms of radar by the Su-35 and MiG-31BM aircraft the Russians have. So then you start with the question if they will use NATO AWACS aircraft to cue the F-16s to compensate for their lack of radar or not. If they do it, then Russia will have a viable motive for shooting NATO AWACS down.
The F-16s will not escalate Ukrainian capabilities, in my opinion they will simply allow the Ukrainians to stay in the air game as before. With limited missions here and there dropping some munitions like the JDAM-ER that has been in the AFU for months now or the Storm Shadow.
But the moment the Ukrainians try to put those birds at combat altitude/distance what has happened during this year and a half will happen.

Edit:
Italian PM said they cant participate in the F-16 coallition.

NATO countries are running out of stuff to send...
 
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obj 705A

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They'll likely get them in batches likely two squadrons at a time (24) but it does look like the Vipers Ukraine are getting will be aim-120c7/c8 capable and just about every a2g weapon in European inventory and US too.


Since Ukraine doesn't have to worry about Russian aircraft I think what is thee most important capability Ukraine needs for its Vipers are SEAD/DEAD capability.
Denmark and nethherlands have a combined F-16 fleet of 57, I know they want to eventually replace them with F-35 but still that means they will be donating almost 80% of their F-16 fleet to Ukraine for free.
 

Right_People

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Denmark and nethherlands have a combined F-16 fleet of 57, I know they want to eventually replace them with F-35 but still that means they will be donating almost 80% of their F-16 fleet to Ukraine for free.
The ones they are going to get are the ones they tried to sell to Argentina, which lost the procurement competition to the Chinese JF-17.
After this, it was decided to send them to the dump...
And then to Ukraine...
 
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