The War in the Ukraine

gelgoog

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Poland to transfer 60 PT-91 Twardy tanks to Ukraine, says Polish PM​

Morawiecki said the tanks would be delivered to Ukraine “within a few days,” as reported by Polish news agency PAP.

PT-91 Twardy is a Polish tank designed on the basis of the T-72M1 tank. It has its own DRAWA fire control system and ERAWA dynamic protection.

The PT-91 was one of Poland's most advanced tanks. It is basically a T-72 with thermal sights, ERA, and 1000hp engine upgrade. ERAWA-2 ERA allegedly degrades HEAT by 50-70% and APFSDS by 30-40%. This is almost as good as Kontakt-5. That would make it only marginally worse in hard stats than your average T-72B3. Poland had 232 PT-91 tanks before the conflict in Ukraine started. These aren't the first PT-91 tanks the Poles sent into Ukraine either.

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"It will be recalled that in June the President of Poland Andrzej Duda said that Ukraine received more than 240 Polish T-72 tanks."

That would be the earlier T-72M1 model. Even if they add Kontakt-1 equivalent ERA to them it would make them equivalent at best to the T-72A of Soviet era.

I think it would be correct to assume Poland will run out of PT-91 and T-72M1s before the current year runs out. And thus far they got like 10 K2 Black Panther and 28 M1 Abrams to replace those tanks. Just for info it took the Poles some 4 years to upgrade 34 Leopard 2 tanks to Leopard 2PL standard. And the South Koreans produce the K2 at a rate of like 50 tanks a year.
 
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Poland delivered 4 Leopard 2A4 tanks to Ukraine and committed to deliver 14 tanks of that model. These retarded idiots in charge of European politics don't even think of what will happen after these vehicles are lost in extended combat far from their supply lines and repair depots while the Russians fight close to their own lines.
 

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Poland delivered 4 Leopard 2A4 tanks to Ukraine and committed to deliver 14 tanks of that model. These retarded idiots in charge of European politics don't even think of what will happen afterward these vehicles are lost in extended combat far from their supply lines and repair depots while the Russians fight close to their own lines.
Poland just doesn't have a desire to uphold the "invincible" records of these NATO tanks they earned from never having been in serious combat. From almost day 1 they were sending their best indigenous vehicles such as the PT91 which Ukraine immediately used on the front. Now, when they have authorization to send foreign purchased, they will take advantage of it.

For Poland, they are more interested in results than saving face. It matters little to them if Russia immediately scalps the few vehicles they sent, as long as they contributed on the front.
 

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Overbom

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If the rumor is true, it could lead to escalations.

That's open the door big time for Belarus to attack Ukraine with all rights...

If Nato acknowledge the right for Urkaine to attack Russian assets in Belarus, Russia can attack any place outside Ukraine that's helping Ukraine....
Ukraine does nothing on its own. If it did something its pretty safe to assume that this was a NATO order and they have already war-gamed possible Russian-Belarus responses

Lets wait first to confirm if the news is true and then we can seriously consider the pros and cons of such a move by NATO and how it serves US national interests to escalate in this manner. Its a highly fluid situation
 

Stealthflanker

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Well i would expect some good and proper OSINT account may show some Satellite image soon. e.g Tony Roper (@planesandstuff).

Loss of an AEW is big tho if true. If it's not true then i wonder why there are those happily retweet or spread the news without waiting.
 
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