Rare footage of the destruction of two Ukrainian army infantry fighting vehicles by Russian Invar anti-tank guided missiles fired from a T-80 tank. The Russian guided active-rocket projectile 9M119M "Invar" was put into service in 1992 and is designed to destroy modern tanks equipped with dynamic protection. The missile is fired directly from the cannon and guided by a laser beam, the range of hitting targets is up to 5000 meters. The warhead of the rocket is tandem cumulative, it contains 2 charges, leading and main. The armor penetration of the missile is up to 900 mm of armor. The price of the rocket is about $37,000.
The War in the Ukraine
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I'm more curious at how and where they will be used. Anyway, they will be able to do the task asked for a MBT surely better than a T-55.
Will they build a new army and send it together or just open the faucet and let them spill everywhere ? The last big list of new armored vehicules will not arrive all at the same time. It will take at least a couple of months. Some shipments say next year like M1...
They still have a couple of choices to implement them.
1) Stock them somewhere waiting for a big push is asking to receive some Iskander shower but help using it in a cohesive force.
2) Stocking them all over the place in small groups waiting for a big push is logistic nightmare. But diminish the chance to lose big chunks in one attack but clearly cut reaction time and readiness.
3) Sending them in small groups to fill gap all over the place when receiving them. It could help a front by reinforcing positions but will cut the chances to do a real offensive.
I don't know the full extend of transportation capacity for the Ukrainian forces. Rail tracks look like fonctionning for now with bridges on the Dnieper mostly intact. Don't know if they can carry them fast enough to the front to mount an offensive in a short time before massed troops will be on the receiving end of Russian strike.
A serviceman of the Russian army spoke about the combat use of Shturm-S self-propelled anti-tank missile systems in Ukraine.
Footage of the combat work of the Russian self-propelled anti-tank missile system Shturm-S in Ukraine. The video shows the missile hit by this BMP complex of the Ukrainian army in the Svatov direction.
An unusual incident occurred in Ukraine. A Russian soldier caught a drone of the Ukrainian army with his hands. The operator of the Ukrainian drone dropped a grenade on the Russian soldier, the Russian soldier, seeing this, jumped to the side and pretended to be dead. After that, the drone descended to a low altitude, where it was caught by a Russian soldier.
The first four Russian robots "Marker" arrived in Ukraine. The robots will begin to work out combat algorithms as part of a group of combat robots. In the video, there are 2 versions of the "Marker" robot - shock and cargo. The shock version of the robot has a turret combat module capable of turning around to track a target in one second. The robot can be equipped with various weapons. The cargo version of the robot has an onboard container for transporting various cargoes, or a capsule for evacuating the wounded, equipped with a life support system.
Confrontation between a Russian tank and a Ukrainian grenade launcher. Footage of an unusual battle in Ukraine. The Russian UAV operator, through a communications intermediary, sent the T-72 tank to the Ukrainian infantry positions, the tank, having fired at the infantry positions, continued to move, believing that everyone was destroyed there. After the passage of the tank, one of the Ukrainian grenade launchers fired a shot at the back of the tank, fortunately the armor withstood and ricocheted the grenade launcher. How the battle developed further is not reported.
Footage of the combat work of the Russian self-propelled anti-tank missile system Shturm-S in Ukraine. The video shows the missile hit by this BMP complex of the Ukrainian army in the Svatov direction.
An unusual incident occurred in Ukraine. A Russian soldier caught a drone of the Ukrainian army with his hands. The operator of the Ukrainian drone dropped a grenade on the Russian soldier, the Russian soldier, seeing this, jumped to the side and pretended to be dead. After that, the drone descended to a low altitude, where it was caught by a Russian soldier.
The first four Russian robots "Marker" arrived in Ukraine. The robots will begin to work out combat algorithms as part of a group of combat robots. In the video, there are 2 versions of the "Marker" robot - shock and cargo. The shock version of the robot has a turret combat module capable of turning around to track a target in one second. The robot can be equipped with various weapons. The cargo version of the robot has an onboard container for transporting various cargoes, or a capsule for evacuating the wounded, equipped with a life support system.
Confrontation between a Russian tank and a Ukrainian grenade launcher. Footage of an unusual battle in Ukraine. The Russian UAV operator, through a communications intermediary, sent the T-72 tank to the Ukrainian infantry positions, the tank, having fired at the infantry positions, continued to move, believing that everyone was destroyed there. After the passage of the tank, one of the Ukrainian grenade launchers fired a shot at the back of the tank, fortunately the armor withstood and ricocheted the grenade launcher. How the battle developed further is not reported.
That'll be dependant on the crews not running around with the blast doors open to save a few second when reloading like the Saudis do in Yemen, though.
plawolf
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Being able to read the writing on the buttons can be pretty important in operating heavy machinery. Besides, it’s easier to work out how to operate more primitive equipment with few buttons, especially ones designed to be easy to learn. Much harder to try to learn how to operate something with a lot of buttons in a foreign language on a 8 week crash course.
If you are a trained tanker, you are probably able to make it works with very few training. Probably driving and firing and risking to break something but a trained tank crew would be able to make it works within hours.
It's way off topics but:
8 week crash course will probably be enough to be quite fonctional if the crew is already trained as a tank crew. They would probably fare worst than in the tank they were trained before but they can catch up fast if they can use it long enough.
If they are training new tank crew in 8 week... it's clearly not sane to be in that tank.
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Presumably they would give the Leopards mainly to German knowing soldiers? PLAAF also used some Russian speakers during the time when they first got J-11 licenses to trial the planes.
I find it hard to believe a Leopard 2 would be harder to operate than a T55 or T62, assuming no language barrier. But I'd be happy to be corrected on it if someone has knowledge of what the interiors on both tanks are like.
There was 20-30 years of time for tech and ergonomics to improve between T55 and Leopard 2. I'm aware it's not necessarily a good analogy, but it's more easy to operate a Redmi than a Walkman.
It's also not like particularly advanced tactics are demanded of them. These tanks and the crews inside are going to be consumables to buy time, time for more mobilisation(?) more nato arms(?) perhaps(?).
First video of the Ukranian Army soldiers training in Poland on the Leopard 2 A4 tank.
I get it's from Germany, but everything is going to be in English.
There is already a standard training practice to solve the most common kind of stoppages. My guess is they will teach the equivalent to a basic greenhorn Tanker (which 8 weeks is probably plenty if you don't worry too much about competency tests).
So far according to a Canadian newspaper (don't have the link due to using a News app). The Canadian Leopard 2 is the first to be delivered to Ukraine. There is only 1 (of 4 promised) so far in Poland officially in possession of Ukraine. All the European countries that promised to give their Leopard 2 tanks have basically waffled after initially blaming Germany as the hold up. The reality has come to light that none of these countries (besides Poland) want to give up their operational tanks because there are so few already (suddenly the promises have become 'unconfirmed/undisclosed/unspecified numbers'), the operational inventory is not even close to the paper inventory. This is why Germany has started refurbishing Leopard 1s. Of course, due to the age of them, it is likely going to take months, possibly even into 2024. At the same time Germany will have to try to "fix" all these inoperable Leopard 2 as well.
