The War in the Ukraine

Abominable said:

Two interesting revelations about this war from Pepe Escobar. One there's rumours of a Blinken proposing a Ukrainian surrender deal. The article, posted by deep state neocon David Ignatius appeared in the Washington Post.

The Ukraine would be partitioned and Russia gets to keep the territories it liberated: Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye. The rump Ukrainian state would also be demilitarised.

Sounds like a bad deal to me, at a minimum it should have included Kharkov and Odessa, and it does nothing to address the denazification of the Ukrainian state.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1619421836613419008

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I'm going to take this with a grain of salt, but if true... that is an enormous amount of manpower. Russian artillery definitely doing it's part.

All of those pointless Ukranian assaults in Davydov Brod couldn't have helped either. Probably hundreds of destroyed Ukrainian vehicles and corpses in that area.

Australian mercenary is interviewed and asked about Wagner around Bakhmut. According to him they are near-peer to western forces with real time "blue forces tracking" along with combined arms artillery back up that have become integrated with Orlan UAVs for real time target acquisition. He also mentions that Ukranians aren't rotating units out of Bakhmut.



Full interview:

Interesting bit around the 12:00 mark, dude mentions he has a problem about the talk around the Kherson offensive because the Russians were able to pull out, which is a problem as opposed if the Ukranians had destroyed the Russian units and that the Ukranians have been very bad at persuing retreating units.

SolarWarden said:

Why so triggered? Seems it's easy to get under your skin when folks have a different opinion than yours.

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Don't state opinions as "facts", just to stir shit in the thread, then. If you two want to lower the level of discussion(which can get pretty low as it is, myself included) you can go to Twitter and have fun with your nafo friends over there.

If they admit 50% then it has to be a lot more than they are admitting
Russia lost (dead or wounded) majority of its elite soldiers that they use at start of invasion their 1st guard tank army deployed in eastern front was also almost wiped out that they sacked the commander of the 1st guards

sheogorath said:

Australian mercenary is interviewed and asked about Wagner around Bakhmut. According to him they are near-peer to western forces with real time "blue forces tracking" along with combined arms artillery back up that have become integrated with Orlan UAVs for real time target acquisition. He also mentions that Ukranians aren't rotating units out of Bakhmut.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1620508468108230656

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So Ukrainian troops are not rotated so what pour in don't go out... like pushing peoples in a deep hole.

If they Wagner are so good, they are certainly not convict conscripts sent to slaughter. So they are extraordinary well trained in a very short time or their losses are quite low.

Atomicfrog said:

If they Wagner are so good, they are certainly not convict conscripts sent to slaughter. So they are extraordinary well trained in a very short time or their losses are quite low.

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In the interview the guy mentions they do use conscripts as first echelon but they do so to exploit weak points spotted with drones in Ukranian positions and that they do have a lower rate of casualties than the Ukranians.

sheogorath said:

In the interview the guy mentions they do use conscript as first echelon but they do so to exploit weak points spotted with drones in Ukranian positions and that they do have a lower rate of casualties than the Ukranians.

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It's just than in western news... they say Wagner troops are used in human wave and they loss thousand of them...


And now this interview give a description of them used intelligently in near peer cohesive units.

We receive informations looking like two different sides of a coin.

There are convict mobiks in the Wagner group, as well as full-time professionals who know how to properly fight. According to Western sources anyway, but that does seem like a workable theory.

Wagner mobiks probe during the day and identify Ukrainian defenses, while Wagner "Spetsnaz" watches from above via drones. Then, on the second assault, Wagner's spetsnaz destroys the Ukrainian defenses that were identified. Finally Wagner Mobiks come and occupy the cleared positions once the fighting is done. Rinse and repeat with Ukrainian counter-attacks thrown into the mix.

Atomicfrog said:

We receive informations looking like two different sides of a coin.

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Later in the interview the guy mentions the 24th Brigade of the AFU got 80% wiped around Bakhmut and that things have reached a point with some people getting picked up in the recruitment centers and dropped right on the frontlines with barely two weeks of training. Mentions Wagner's has SIGINT capabilities including phone tracking and jamming and that their blue force tracking equipment comes from DJI

Then mentions corruption, lack of accountability for equipment destroyed, commanders forcing entire companies to charge head on on Russians positions for no reason that get prompty wiped out by Russian artillery and those commanders don't get sacked

Edit: Dude also mentions that it is his opinion that the sudden rush for delivering Bradleys and tanks constitutes a secret acknowledgement things aren't going well

HighGround said:

There are convict mobiks in the Wagner group, as well as full-time professionals who know how to properly fight. According to Western sources anyway, but that does seem like a workable theory.

Wagner mobiks probe during the day and identify Ukrainian defenses, while Wagner "Spetsnaz" watches from above via drones. Then, on the second assault, Wagner's spetsnaz destroys the Ukrainian defenses that were identified. Finally Wagner Mobiks come and occupy the cleared positions once the fighting is done. Rinse and repeat with Ukrainian counter-attacks thrown into the mix.

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Didn't say they don't have convict mobiks, it's just that they are used in cohesive unit and not only has lemmings. If not these units would not be efficient and near peer. If they would have the level of losses that we ear on the news, no way they could be branded as near peer...

Abominable said:

Two interesting revelations about this war from Pepe Escobar. One there's rumours of a Blinken proposing a Ukrainian surrender deal. The article, posted by deep state neocon David Ignatius appeared in the Washington Post.

The Ukraine would be partitioned and Russia gets to keep the territories it liberated: Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye. The rump Ukrainian state would also be demilitarised.

Sounds like a bad deal to me, at a minimum it should have included Kharkov and Odessa, and it does nothing to address the denazification of the Ukrainian state.

Also:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1619421836613419008

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you can say its a bad deal but it would be predicated on the Russian public not wanting to fight anymore and would take whatever win they can get. so an offer of surrender would take away any public support Putin enjoys for the war, he will have no choice. regardless it doesnt really matter because no way ukraine would accept that.