In any case, these drones cost probably way more than a rpg-7... would be better to drop a small mortar round with it multiple time...
The War in the Ukraine
- Thread starter SampanViking
- Start date
No. Lancets have been used against IFVs. It's not used against infantry per se, like a walking infantry company.
Suicide drone like you shown, the problem is the video has no verification of kill. The drone could have crashed at the back of the IFV and may fail to explode.
Even if it exploded, it's not a HEAT weapon, so it may not penetrate the IFV. The weapon is only good against infantry and pickups. It makes a better case of something flying into a trench and exploding there. But for the cost, this isn't better than the far more popular quadcopter bombing mortars and grenades trick.
Besides I have seen the DPR or LPR use a quadcopter suicide drone against an Ukrainian infantry squad before. The difference is they have another drone up to film for kill verification, and in one video, six dead or wounded.
I also have a problem with some of these Ukrainian quadcopter suicide drone videos because they look so fake, I have CGI suspicions. But I let it go, give them the benefit of a doubt that it's due to poor optics.
Last edited:
I agree, this is more like ww1, than ww2. I said that long time ago. It's telling how much Russian military power degraded, that in 2022-23, they are refighting battle of Verdun.
You are talking about ISR bubble, indeed, but where is the Russian ISR bubble? How come only Ukraine benefits from it? How is it possible that Russia slept over revolution in military affaires, last 40+ years, so that its military today fights a ww1?
Blitzkrieg isn't obsolete and can never be obsolete as a concept, but when you have obsolete equipment, with bad leaders (from lowliest seargent to Putin himself), badly trained and supported, where nobody dares to tell the truth, with corruption that eats into a living flesh of the country- then you have problems like Russia has today. Simply, state of Russian military is just a symptom of a state of Russia today.
Last edited by a moderator:
Fully agreed. If they want to do it, it needs to go in a pincer from north (west or east of Kharkiv) and south (Zaporozhie), and it needs to happen within next 15 days.
The ISR bubble of Russians is demonstrated every time a Krasnopol or Lancet hits a moving Ukrainian convoy which has countless videos here. Those aren't direct fire weapons.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Answer to bold is corruption of course.
The hundreds of billions are not for Ukrainian, just like all the trillions spent in Iraq and Afghanistan were not for the locals. The overwhelming majority of the funds are specifically earmarked for US MIC, with Ukraine only being the reason or excuse for why the should get so much taxpayer money.
What fraction of the funds and weapons that do reach Ukraine are then skimmed and picked over multiple times at multiple levels to take the best and most valuable stuff before what’s left goes to the front. Minus Russian interdiction and it’s little wonder the troops at the front are resorting to such tactics and weapons. It’s also ironically amusing that AliExpress might be a more reliable means of getting useable equipment, especially the man portable ones that are easily pilfered, to the front than the Ukrainian military logistics department.
But as we have seen endlessly during this conflict, such improvised weapons often punch way above their weight and costs and should not be underestimated.
Accurate weapons delivery almost always trumps volume. Mavics dropping hand grenades might have killed and injured as many on both sides as infantry small arms fire, so accurate drone deployment of RPGs can have a significant impact on the battlefield. With FPV drones and a good operator, it’s entirely possible to do dive down top attack with these. Add in a late model RPG warhead and these things might even be able to take out MBTs.
Even with bog standard RPG rounds, never underestimate the value of having a non-line-of-sight weapon you can effectively deploy from behind cover when under heavy enemy fire.
Try to imagine if say US miltary is in war against Ukraine. There wouldn't be moving convoys, because all would be destroyed and US forces would be in Russian border by the end of first month. End of story.
That's the way such things are done. Not this.
Morale seems to be taking a hit again within Ukranian lines, though no idea when this video might have been recorded. One of the off-camera officers mentions being in a company of 286 people with only 21 left alive after several offensives on Russian positions in Kharkiv. Another soldier comments lossing 8 tanks out of 11.
Once they go against China, Desert Storm and OIF will be exposed as the flukes they were.
Like Vietnam?. The US hasn't fought anyone that could put up a fight in around 50 years, and they still managed to lose Afghanistan and turn Iraq into an Iranian proxy.
Once they go against China, Desert Storm and OIF will be exposed as the flukes they were.
Last edited:
Nothing going kaboom here but an M777 being recovered after it was abandoned by it's crews (deserted?). It's said the gun was badly damaged.
A Ukrainian convoy at Nevskoye being tracked by Russian drone and falls under attack by guided munitions, Krasnopols most likely.
A Ukrainian convoy at Nevskoye being tracked by Russian drone and falls under attack by guided munitions, Krasnopols most likely.