NYpost said they were "evacuated"
Which i wonder why they dont say who were evacuating of liberate them XD.
The War in the Ukraine
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NYpost said they were "evacuated"
Which i wonder why they dont say who were evacuating of liberate them XD.
SteelBird
Colonel
Sorry, I don't quite understand this statement. What does it really mean to say? To end a combat mission means there would be no more fighting, so the soldiers will have to pull off from their position. But how? They are surrounded inside the Azovstal factory. To my understanding, if they want to leave, they have only two choices; to fight their way out or to surrender. What's their choice?
In the end stages of the Chinese civil war, when KMT is driven off the Chinese mainland and they retreated to Taiwan they called this "胜利转进" or "victorious relocation".
This is just like that.
what are the Su-25 doing?.
I think the number two weeks ago was 2,125. assuming the counts are accurate. if missiles are at such rate than what will be the rate of 850K guided rockets in the battlefield.
SteelBird
Colonel
That's because the KMT have all pulled off from mainland. Those who remained would have to surrender or hid themselves up. But for the case of the Azovstal steel plant, they don't even have an evacuation plan, how can they end their military action? If they go out, the Russian shoots. If the Russians go in, they'd shoot. Fighting/confrontation is still going on. How could they call it an "end". They'd need an evacuation plan, exchange with Russian prisoners for example.
The largest tank army in Europe aligned with the US, with over 100 combat jets, reduced to fighting like ISIL.
Yeah I would definitively call that a win. The minute Ukraine had to give up on its mobile warfare capability they lost the war.
It is only a question of how long the Russians want to hack at them I think.
They are evacuating them to the DPR. What makes you think these people won't be put on trial? And we have video evidence of the Ukrainian forces in Mariupol shooting at civilian cars trying to escape, and pulling people back into the city. If you think they will get away without being punished for something like that, well, good luck. They used their own population as hostages basically. Well, at least they claim it is their own population, but I doubt they consider the people in Novorussia to be "Ukrainians" in their sense. A lot of these neo Nazi guys, like Azov or Aidar battallion, are basically thugs who think they are above the law. And have been allowed to act like this for over 8 years.
Try reading the bios of some of those people. Like the "Joan of Arc" of Ukraine by Elle magazine. Vita Zaverukha. A member of Aidar. She was arrested at 19 years old in Ukraine after a failed robbery by her and her mates at a gas station led to the deaths of 2 Ukrainian policemen and another 3 injured. Yet now she is walking in Ukraine making "combat" propaganda videos. Where they are shot posing over smoldering wrecks of "Russian" IFVs which are actually Ukrainian models... Gonzalo Lira has some videos of that in his old channel. She's the girl with the black and white scarf.
It makes no difference. The troops holding the cities after they are conquered are Rosgvardiya. At the time Putin made Rosgvardiya some years ago I did not see the point in it. He basically merged all the MVD troops into one unified armed police force. Now I get it. MVD police units used to be attached to their specific regions. And this way he has a national heavily armed police he can deploy anywhere either inside Russia, or outside Russia, like he is doing now. I do not know how good Rosgvardiya will be in practice in this conflict. But the MVD in Dagestan managed to hold off the Chechens for months with the local population until the Russian central government finally sent the regular army into Chechnya in the Second Chechen War.
So, no, holding cities does not reduce the combat power of the Russian army forces in Ukraine. And Rosgvardiya isn't being used in ground combat in general from what I understand. Although they have some units which should be somewhat capable at it.
You could call it that when it was just the injured. But right now it is just really hard copium. Those Azov guys look pretty emaciated as is so I doubt they would have lasted that much longer anyways.
Not necessarily. The main combat in Mariupol lasted like 1 month. At the same time these guys are gaining experience clearing cities. Most cities in the Soviet Union used to use buildings made in prefabricated sections. So if you have experience clearing one, the other is pretty much the same. The exception will be a city like Odessa which was rebuilt in its historic style. Kharkov does have the subway network which the defenders can use. But Russia can cover the exits and let them die there like they did with Azovstal.
You keep hearing about how Russia "only" does 300 air combat missions daily. Yet how the "great" coalition forces in Iraq did like a thousand or two thousand flights a day or whatever. But if you dig into the actual data, most of the flights the coalition forces did in Iraq, those were transport missions. Not combat ones. The number of combat missions daily is actually roughly the same. So yeah. Russia is doing roughly the same daily number of air combat missions in Ukraine as the entire coalition forces. All by itself.
how you know its little to show?. when whole battle is from the air and long range precision missiles.
we cannot even assume the troops number in the actual field. they could be as little as few thousand. not counting the troops who are managing Cities. they give tour to Indian team. also mentioned repulsing drone attack.
Did you know that the nazi germans rescued on the may 8th 45, they didnt surrender, they rescued!