The War in the Ukraine

B.I.B.

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Pretty much what I think. But I don't think Putin or Russians in general will be fussed that Ukrainians control Ukraine, as long as they aren't Nazis or pro NATO.

If Putin gets what he wants it'll be like a Warsaw pact country, or American controlled Japan today.

Whether correct or not, the withdrawal from Kherson, Kiev, etc was a military decision. In the case of Kherson wasn't accompanied by the renouncement in claim on the city. I think Russians have every intention of retaking the Kherson when they deem it favourable.

I don't know how you can agree that Russia will want to remain in Ukraine forever, agree an independent Ukraine in the orbit of NATO is unequivocally bad for Russia yet think Putin will end the war the moment the Donbass is liberated.

The Ukrainian problem is a lot more than the Donbass.
I think with all the shit they have had to put up with, they will not want Putin to agree to another Minsk type agreement where the West can make another attemt to destabilise Russia 20 30 40 50 yrs later.
 

sheogorath

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Why would the US do this favour to Russia? If I am in the US' strategic office planning department (or whatever it is called), I am dragging this war for another 5 years at least (ideally 2030).
The US doesnt have that time. At least not if they intend to take on China before it reaches the point where there is no chance of winning for them at all.
Whos is this Tendar?
A fanatic and a scumbag that only peddles fud. He also was one of the accounts making excuses for the execution of Russian POWs
 

baykalov

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I guess we'll know more in the morning.

According to today's statements of Ukrainian officials, Ukraine expects a complete victory in 2023, including Crimea and NATO membership.

Arestovich’s opinion today:

Ukraine may join NATO as early as July 2023. This opinion was expressed by the adviser to the office of the President of Ukraine Oleksiy Arestovich. Ukraine expects to be accepted into NATO at the summit in Vilnius.

“There will be a summit in Vilnius next July. Just six months – and forward. Can be faster but half a year looks like the most reasonable date,”Arestovich said in an interview with Mark Feigin.

 

SolarWarden

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I guess we'll know more in the morning.

According to today's statements of Ukrainian officials, Ukraine expects a complete victory in 2023, including Crimea and NATO membership.

Arestovich’s opinion today:

Ukraine may join NATO as early as July 2023. This opinion was expressed by the adviser to the office of the President of Ukraine Oleksiy Arestovich. Ukraine expects to be accepted into NATO at the summit in Vilnius.

“There will be a summit in Vilnius next July. Just six months – and forward. Can be faster but half a year looks like the most reasonable date,”Arestovich said in an interview with Mark Feigin.

Hmm... Second time that base has been hit from a drone that is just a bit smaller than an old mig you'd think they would have learned their lesson and have CAP or beef up their IADS in that base I mean after all it's just only a Russian strategic base with nuke capable bombers... just saying. :rolleyes:
 

pmc

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Hmm... Second time that base has been hit from a drone that is just a bit smaller than an old mig you'd think they would have learned their lesson and have CAP or beef up their IADS in that base I mean after all it's just only a Russian strategic base with nuke capable bombers... just saying. :rolleyes:
this may not be priority as most of those SAMs are near the battlefield or could be buildings that make it hard to intercept at standoff distance. regardless no system can be 100% reliable all the time.

They are moving stuff up North. and in East.

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Nightsky

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Some rumors indicate that the VDV would be preparing to carry out a night offensive towards Sarny and Kovel with some possibility of Kiev and Chernigov also being targets of this hypothetical offensive, the rumors point to the 24/25 of December.
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sounsd like another total success in hindsight... why is anyone still believing this kind of stuff. Russia is not capable of any serious offensive operations anymore, not operations covering dozens of kilometers.
 

sheogorath

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Ukraine is putting steam locomotives back into service. Winning as usual.
Now Russia needs to put some Il-2M back into service to strafe them.


According to Mikhail Khodarenok, the Ukranians are using civilian air corridors at the same civilian planes are using it for the drones they are firing into Russia which difficults the operation of Russian ADS. Trying to find a source other than telegram without links for the claim.

Also not sure how difficult it might be for AD to pick up Tu-141 appart from a airliners though I guess a missile overshooting the drone and hitting an airliner is a possibility and Ukranians have used human shields plenty of times before, so it is not out of the realm of possibilities.

Financial Times article on the war

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Besides the usual hubris and western projection there are some useful points inclunding the mention that the Kherson line has been reinforced to a point an Ukranian offensive in the area will be made more difficult on top of a mounting problem of fatigue and lack of training for Ukranian units.

Then more talk about how Ukraine will take back Crimea and so on.
 
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