The Snowden Affair

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MwRYum

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Finally the US officials admits it's normal for every other nations snooping on each other for their own ends...hmmm, well apparently the unspoken statement is that China is excluded from this justification, at least in US opinion.
 

mr.bean

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Finally the US officials admits it's normal for every other nations snooping on each other for their own ends...hmmm, well apparently the unspoken statement is that China is excluded from this justification, at least in US opinion.

I just saw john Kerry talking about that at press conference in brunei. it was quite amusing watching these jokers because that was not the same kind of language they used against china just a mere few weeks ago!
 

MwRYum

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I just saw john Kerry talking about that at press conference in brunei. it was quite amusing watching these jokers because that was not the same kind of language they used against china just a mere few weeks ago!

Who knows a "29 years old hacker" (in Obama's words) can make the US top officials change their public scripts so radically in such a short time? All he did was telling the world what we've been suspecting Uncle Sam doing behind our backs are true, if not in much grander scale that even Hollywood screenwriters can't match.

Now they're doing everything they can to get back to the good old days of China bashing with impunity...
 

Jeff Head

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Edward Snowden said:
One week ago I left Hong Kong after it became clear that my freedom and safety were under threat for revealing the truth. My continued liberty has been owed to the efforts of friends new and old, family, and others who I have never met and probably never will. I trusted them with my life and they returned that trust with a faith in me for which I will always be thankful.

On Thursday, President Obama declared before the world that he would not permit any diplomatic "wheeling and dealing" over my case. Yet now it is being reported that after promising not to do so, the President ordered his Vice President to pressure the leaders of nations from which I have requested protection to deny my asylum petitions.

This kind of deception from a world leader is not justice, and neither is the extralegal penalty of exile. These are the old, bad tools of political aggression. Their purpose is to frighten, not me, but those who would come after me.

For decades the United States of America have been one of the strongest defenders of the human right to seek asylum. Sadly, this right, laid out and voted for by the U.S. in Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, is now being rejected by the current government of my country. The Obama administration has now adopted the strategy of using citizenship as a weapon. Although I am convicted of nothing, it has unilaterally revoked my passport, leaving me a stateless person. Without any judicial order, the administration now seeks to stop me exercising a basic right. A right that belongs to everybody. The right to seek asylum.

In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised — and it should be.

I am unbowed in my convictions and impressed at the efforts taken by so many.

Edward Joseph Snowden

Monday 1st July 2013

Whatever else may be said of this young man...he is speaking the truth to power.
 
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Equation

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Uh oh now you got the Bush (former administration) coming out to support the current one. How often do we see two parties agreed on helping and lending support to each other than a terrorist or natural disaster in this country? I find it odd and weird.

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MwRYum

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Uh oh now you got the Bush (former administration) coming out to support the current one. How often do we see two parties agreed on helping and lending support to each other than a terrorist or natural disaster in this country? I find it odd and weird.

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That's becasue it's all for "US interest", and if you do your homework, you'd realise that's what truly matter to US, not liberty and freedom...that's why we see politicians on both side of the aisle rally behind Obama.
 

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Uh oh now you got the Bush (former administration) coming out to support the current one. How often do we see two parties agreed on helping and lending support to each other than a terrorist or natural disaster in this country? I find it odd and weird.

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Yes I read that too. Bush is saying Snowden hurt national security. But Bush is the one who put the apparatus together, and so he is going to defend it.

Using it to track terrorists and criminals specifically is allowed under the Constitution if specific probable cause is cited and a warrant issues based on it for that specific time.

But that is not what they are doing...and these elitists actually believe that they can "watch over us all better," if they have complete control. At least that is what they want to push off on the masses. But it is not about "helping us," it is about controlling us. And in so doing they themselves are breaking their oath to the constitution, to defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic, and to bear true faith and allegiance to the constitution...which they are not doing.

And I emailed them those words myself.
 

MwRYum

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Yes I read that too. Bush is saying Snowden hurt national security. But Bush is the one who put the apparatus together, and so he is going to defend it.

Using it to track terrorists and criminals specifically is allowed under the Constitution if specific probable cause is cited and a warrant issues based on it for that specific time.

But that is not what they are doing...and these elitists actually believe that they can "watch over us all better," if they have complete control. At least that is what they want to push off on the masses. But it is not about "helping us," it is about controlling us. And in so doing they themselves are breaking their oath to the constitution, to defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic, and to bear true faith and allegiance to the constitution...which they are not doing.

And I emailed them those words myself.

Because most Americans don't recognize it's not just the foreigners and foreign governments the NSA snooping at - it's everyone who utilize networked electronic devices in the world - and major US media outlets help reinforce this perception. Media and the ruling power walk very closely in the US, despite the US preach repeatedly that it should be the opposite. On the same analogy, terrorism is something you watch happens somewhere else on CNN until 9-11 and Boston marathon bombing...the American people are convinced that NSA snoops just outside US borders so to keep US safe and at the leading edge, thus they dance in the tune instead demanding serious answers from their politicians.

Since the public not asking questions...well, you know the rest.
 

broadsword

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Snowden is making asylum requests to eighteen countries, including China. I will be disappointed if China declines outright.
 

MwRYum

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Snowden is making asylum requests to eighteen countries, including China. I will be disappointed if China declines outright.

Outright decline or give no response does the same thing in the end...now comes whether Snowden still have something unreleased that'd make whoever accept him worth the trouble of weathering US retaliation.

In any case, with the US public opinion towards him now lean towards "treason" argument, Snowden now really have next to nothing to lose.
 
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