The Sino-Russian Strategic Partnership starts to get serious!

broadsword

broadsword

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Which makes next door Russia so much more attractive irrespective of whether the land is for sale or lease and it is so much bigger than Australia.
 
kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

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plawolf said:
Just a feel good piece for Russians.

Other than the SSN, little Russia has to sale (so excluding SSBNs and ICBMs) would really interest China.

OTOH, we may soon be upon the time where Russia starts buying arms from China, as there are plenty of things China makes which would be very useful for the Russians.

Top of the list would be modern surface combatants. I'm sure Russia admirals would be pleased to have a few 054As and 052Ds under their command.

J10s would fill an important role providing a decent medium weight fighter to bulk out Russia's fleet that is both more capable than the Mig29 and offers spares comparability with Russian Su27 and Su30/35 fighters.

All of China's AWACS, UCAVs and specialist mission electronic aircraft would also fill gaps I'm Russia's force structure.
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The issue with Russia is not from a lack of knowledge or technical abilities but rather $ and infrastructure. It would be better invested locally then buying Chinese arms.
The day Russia buys Chinese weaponry is when China's weapons are at least one generation ahead. I don't think they are anywhere at that level yet.. At least not across the board.. Maybe on some niche products yes but not in general.
The only exception are ships so you are right in that sense but only very major surface combatants or even carriers, LPDs etc.
 
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antiterror13

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kwaigonegin said:
The issue with Russia is not from a lack of knowledge or technical abilities but rather $ and infrastructure. It would be better invested locally then buying Chinese arms.
The day Russia buys Chinese weaponry is when China's weapons are at least one generation ahead. I don't think they are anywhere at that level yet.. At least not across the board.. Maybe on some niche products yes but not in general.
The only exception are ships so you are right in that sense but only very major surface combatants or even carriers, LPDs etc.
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I believe at least in UAV, electronic , Radar and shipbuilding tech ... China is already significantly more advanced than Russia. Also resources, including fund ... China is far far ahead of Russia
 
Jeff Head

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All of the posts about the Type 095 and relative quieting are OFF TOPIC here.

They are being moved over to the "PLAN Type 094/094/095 Nuclear submarine Thread".

If you are looking for your posts regarding this...they are there.

DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MODERATION
 
SampanViking

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kwaigonegin said:
The issue with Russia is not from a lack of knowledge or technical abilities but rather $ and infrastructure. It would be better invested locally then buying Chinese arms.
The day Russia buys Chinese weaponry is when China's weapons are at least one generation ahead. I don't think they are anywhere at that level yet.. At least not across the board.. Maybe on some niche products yes but not in general.
The only exception are ships so you are right in that sense but only very major surface combatants or even carriers, LPDs etc.
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I am just going to make one small point on this and it is a point that faces in both directions.
"Operating production lines, capacity and lead times"
By which I mean that both countries are going to start looking at each other to provide military equipment based on the ability to deliver more quickly and no more expensively than setting up domestic production.
I keep hearing a lot of rumours about all sort of things and the common theme is the ability to produce quickly to fill a current capability gap. I think trying to read too much about relative quality into such deals could me a misleading mistake..
 
Broccoli

Broccoli

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kwaigonegin said:
The issue with Russia is not from a lack of knowledge or technical abilities but rather $ and infrastructure. It would be better invested locally then buying Chinese arms.
The day Russia buys Chinese weaponry is when China's weapons are at least one generation ahead. I don't think they are anywhere at that level yet.. At least not across the board.. Maybe on some niche products yes but not in general.
The only exception are ships so you are right in that sense but only very major surface combatants or even carriers, LPDs etc.
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China is already ahead when it comes to drones and especially if we look at UCAV's. So far Russians haven't managed to manufacture working MALE drone.
 
kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

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Broccoli said:
China is already ahead when it comes to drones and especially if we look at UCAV's. So far Russians haven't managed to manufacture working MALE drone.
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I don't disagree at all that china is ahead in drone tech however I consider that a niche product. Russia is lacking in that area probably due to lack of resources and available industries concentrating in that area of their military establishment.
 
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no_name

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Russia would probably be lacking in areas that popped up after the breakup of the soviet union where they no longer have the financial or human resources to open up new fronts. Area they are strong now they were strong before the breakup.
 
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