The sinking of South Korean Corvette Cheonan

planeman

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very sad.

If DPRK is to blame, there is reason to believe that they do have limited LO fast attack craft, midget submarines and semi-submersibles. So plenty of candidates for a torpedo attack.
 

rhino123

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If it was indeed a attack... could it also came as suicidal attack, whereby the opposing force would charge a fast craft, loaded with explosive and crashed itself into the hull of the ship.
 

Finn McCool

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If it was indeed a attack... could it also came as suicidal attack, whereby the opposing force would charge a fast craft, loaded with explosive and crashed itself into the hull of the ship.

I don't think it's likely that would take place in the context of the limited skirmishes that have been happening around these islands. I do however think that the North is to blame, either by directly firing on the ship or because of a sea mine. The coincidence of this ship exploding and suddenly sinking in the midst of a skirmish is simply too great.
 

Finn McCool

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Possibly big news here. The official story is that a mine is now a very strong possibility.

SKorean president orders military on alert

By JEAN H. LEE, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 42 mins ago
SEOUL, South Korea – South Korea's president ordered the military on alert Tuesday for any moves by rival North Korea after the defense minister said last week's explosion and sinking of a South Korean ship may have been caused by a North Korean mine.
The blast ripped the 1,200-ton ship apart last Friday night during a routine patrol mission near Baengnyeong Island, along the tense maritime border west of the Korean peninsula. Fifty-eight crew members, including the captain, were plucked to safety; 46 remain missing with dim prospects for finding any further survivors.
The Joint Chief of Staff said the exact cause was unclear, and U.S. and South Korean officials said there was no outward indication of North Korean involvement.
However, Defense Minister Kim Tae-young told lawmakers Monday that a floating mine dispatched from North Korea was one of several scenarios for the disaster. "Neither the government nor the defense ministry has ever said there was no possibility of North Korea's involvement," Kim said.
The two Koreas remain in a state of war because their three-year conflict ended in a truce, not a peace treaty, in 1953. North Korea disputes the sea border drawn by the United Nations in 1953, and the western waters near the spot where the Cheonan went down have been the site of three bloody skirmishes between North and South.
"Since the sinking took place at the front line, the military should thoroughly prepare for any move by North Korea," President Lee Myung-bak told his Cabinet, according to his spokesman, Park Sun-kyoo. "I want the military to maintain its readiness."
The Joint Chiefs of Staff said the cause of the blast may remain unclear until the ship is salvaged after the rescue operation is over.
Any navy crewmen who managed to seal themselves inside their watertight cabins would have run out of air by Monday night since the supply of oxygen in the cabins was estimated to last up to 69 hours, military officials said.
Hampered by rough waves, divers finally reached the ship's rear segment, where most of the missing were believed trapped, and pumped oxygen into cracks in the stern on Monday, according to the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They hammered on the hull but got no response.
Military divers were gearing up to break into the ship Tuesday, Rear Adm. Lee Ki-sik of the Joint Chiefs of Staff told reporters.
"The fate of the 46 young soldiers defending our territory in the border area is still unknown," President Lee said. "I cannot describe how regrettable this is. Let's not give up hope until the last moment"
The disaster is one of South Korea's worst. Kim said Monday that the ship may have struck a mine left over from the war or deliberately dispatched from the North.
Many of the 3,000 Soviet-made naval mines North Korea planted in the waters off both coasts during the war were removed, but not all. Kim noted a North Korean mine was discovered as recently as 1984.
"North Korea may have intentionally floated underwater mines to inflict damage on us," Kim told lawmakers.
He insisted there were no South Korean mines off the west coast, and ruled out a torpedo attack from North Korea, which would have been spotted by radar.
Officials have also said an internal malfunction may be to blame. The 1,200-ton Cheonan is designed to carry weapons, and was involved in a previous skirmish with North Korea.
Pyongyang's state media have made no mention of the ship.
Earlier Friday, North Korea's military warned of "unpredictable strikes" if the U.S. and South Korea attempted to topple the regime. On Monday, a military spokesman accused the countries of engaging in "psychological warfare" by letting journalists into the Demilitarized Zone.
Anguished relatives waited for news at a naval base in Pyeongtaek, south of Seoul, some pounding their chests with grief, others shouting their displeasure at the slow pace of the rescue.
"My baby, my baby," one mother murmured, briefly losing consciousness.
"The navy is rotten to the core!" a man yelled, lunging at soldiers standing arm in arm to block angry family members from barging into the command center.
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bigstick61

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It does seem that they are leaning heavily towards a mine explanation, although I think there are issues with it, although it is certainly plausible. I wouldn't rule out a torpedo attack as readily as they do, though; while they say they heard no torpedo on sonar, that area is known to be a difficult place to use sonar, thus making it difficult for ASW. And of course, the other ship was firing on something, and I really doubt it was a flock of birds, especially given the duration of fire.
 

rhino123

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If NK attack SK ship, there must be a logical reason behind it, something like,

1) To show the world NK's capability.
2) To force US, SK, China to sit down and talk with them.
3) To aggitate the South.
4) To deny shipping activities in those areas.

However up till now, we are not hearing news of any of the abovementioned from NK and so NK is actually not making any claims to the attack, unlike in the past, when they did something... they will start to announce it to the world.

This is really suspicious...
 

jantxv

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In today's Chosun Ibo, an article explains in detail the "human torpedoes" as follows:

N.Korea 'Runs Naval Suicide Squads'

Former North Korean soldiers who defected to South Korea on Monday claimed "underwater suicide squads" may have been responsible for the mysterious sinking of a South Korean naval vessel on Friday.

They are similar to the underwater demolition teams operated by the South Korean Navy, the defectors claimed. Recruited from the cream among North Korea's naval commandos, members of the teams are treated well but undergo brutal training.

According to one high-ranking North Korean defector, the North formed suicide attack squads in each branch of the military after the country's leader Kim Jong-il said during the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 that no military in the world can defeat an army that can carry out suicide bombings.

The suicide attack squads are known as the "invincibles" in the Air Force, "bombs" in the Army and "human torpedoes" in the Navy. North Korea is said to place special emphasis on the naval squads. It operates a brigade of suicide attack squads in its East Sea and West Sea fleets and they are considered key to overcoming North Korea's inferior conventional military power.

One former North Korean sailor who defected to South Korea said the suicide squads have many semi-submersible vessels that can carry two bombers and either two torpedoes or two floating mines. In areas like the West Sea where the underwater current is fast, the suicide bombers train with mines rather than torpedoes.

One defector who served in North Korea's intelligence service, said, "Following the first naval battle in 1999, North Korea realized that it cannot defeat the South Korean Navy by conventional means and began studying unconventional methods." The best method is said to be the use of "acoustic mines" carried by small, semi-submersibles that travel at speeds of less than 2 km/h. The craft could be detected by South Korean sonar if they travel any faster. If the underwater squads returned after placing the mines on the hull of a ship, it would be very difficult to find evidence of the attack.
[email protected] / Mar. 30, 2010 11:32 KST
 

siegecrossbow

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The human torpedo theory is certainly plausible. As for the purpose of the attack I am inclined to think that the North Koreans might be testing out this new piece of technology in combat situation. Cheonan is a good target since it killed around 30 North Korean sailors in an incident in 1999. Perhaps this is a case of testing new gear+revenge?
 

bigstick61

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It seems that subs were observed leaving a nearby naval base days before the attack and returning afterwards. Within hours of the incident a North Korean aircraft (I have heard it was a MiG-29) went to reconnoiter the area of the incident. The possibility of a torpedo attack is now finally being brought back after being dismissed. It certainly does seem that the ROK government is constantly reversing itself. I think it's looking more and more like what many people thought it was: a DPRK torpedo attack.
 

rhino123

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If it was the North Korean... what does NK want to achieve? Since NK didn't admit to the attack, no one is sure that NK actually did the attack and without anyone's knowledge, NK is not actually achieving anything at all.

And I don't believe the revenge theory, it just doesn't make sense. Unless there is a greater goal, I do not believe NK would launch an attack, for SK would sure to retaliate... not to mention US will most probably not hold back too. And China might not help this time for the risk is too much.

It would be total annihilation for NK when both US and SK strike... Japan might join into the fray too. Too much was at risk here.
 
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