The sinking of South Korean Corvette Cheonan

bd popeye · May 21, 2010

In another forum I frequent these photos of the ROKN Cheonan were posted.

What do you gents these photos reveal of the damage?

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Survivors from the sunken South Korean naval vessel Cheonan carry portraits of the 46 deceased sailors during a funeral service at the Daejeon National Cemetery, about 140 km (87 miles) south of Seoul, April 29, 2010. South Korea on Thursday mourned the loss of 46 sailors who died when a Navy ship sank after a blast widely believed to have been the result of a North Korean torpedo.

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In this Thursday, April 15, 2010 file photo, sunken South Korean naval ship Cheonan is salvaged after it mysteriously exploded and sank off Baengnyeong Island, South Korea.

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In this Wednesday May 19, 2010, photo RKON sailors stand guard near the wreckage of the South Korean naval vessel Cheonan, which was sunken on March 26 near the maritime border with North Korea, at the Second Fleet Command of Navy in Pyeongtaek, South Korea.

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In this photo taken Wednesday, May 19, 2010, South Korean Navy's Rear Adm. Park Jung-soo talks in front of the wreckage of the naval vessel Cheonan, which was sunken on March 26 near the maritime border with North Korea, during a media briefing at the Second Fleet Command of Navy in Pyeongtaek, south of Seoul. Evidence overwhelmingly proves North Korea fired a torpedo that sank the South Korean warship in March, killing 46 sailors, investigators said Thursday

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In this photo taken Wednesday, May 19, 2010, journalists listen as a navy officer briefs on the wreckage of the naval vessel Cheonan, which was sunken on March 26 near the maritime border with North Korea, during a media briefing at the Second Fleet Command of Navy in Pyeongtaek

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In this Wednesday May 19, 2010, photo photographers take pictures of a wreckage of the South Korea naval vessel Cheonan, which was sunken on March 26 near the maritime border with North Korea, at the Second Fleet Command of Navy in Pyeongtaek, South Korea. Evidence overwhelmingly proves North Korea fired a torpedo that sank a South Korean warship in March, killing 46 sailors, investigators said Thursday May 20, 2010

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A South Korean military officer shows torpedo parts salvaged from the Yellow Sea during a press conference at the Defense Ministry in Seoul on May 20, 2010. A torpedo fired by a North Korean submarine sank The South Korean warship Cheonan with the loss of 46 lives, investigators said.

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Yoon Duk-yong, right, co-head of the team investigating the sinking of the South Korean warship Cheonan, talks next to torpedo parts salvaged from the Yellow Sea during a press conference at the Defense Ministry in Seoul Thursday, May 20, 2010. Investigators say evidence overwhelmingly proves North Korea fired a torpedo that sank a South Korean warship in March, killing 46 sailors. North Korea warned through state media that it will wage "all-out war" if it's punished for the ship's sinking.

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Parts of a torpedo salvaged from the Yellow Sea that is shown to the media during a press conference at the Defense Ministry in Seoul on Thursday May 20, 2010. Evidence overwhelmingly proves North Korea fired a torpedo that sank a South Korean warship in March, killing 46 sailors, investigators said Thursday.

Red Moon · May 21, 2010

I find it a little strange that so much of the torpedo is whole, while so much of the ship is damaged! Is it me?

Red Moon · May 21, 2010

Finn McCool said:
In addition to what Pointblank said, hearing the sub doesn't necessarily mean that you have authorization to fire on it. It's unlikely, but perhaps they did hear the sub. Same thing as the Kitty Hawk incident.

The ship did not sink immediately, and there are survivors. If a sub had been detected, we would not have been treated to two months of mystery about this incident.

There is another thing. When the "explosion" took place, right from the beginning there was speculation about NK being at fault. But I did not see any news at all about helicopters or p-3's or anybody looking for any sub. This would have made a good story! Also, not only would the DPRK sub have had to evade detection prior to the incident, but also after having set off a torpedo. Or maybe anti-sub warfare is not all its made out to be.

Finn McCool · May 21, 2010

Red Moon said:
The ship did not sink immediately, and there are survivors. If a sub had been detected, we would not have been treated to two months of mystery about this incident.

There is another thing. When the "explosion" took place, right from the beginning there was speculation about NK being at fault. But I did not see any news at all about helicopters or p-3's or anybody looking for any sub. This would have made a good story! Also, not only would the DPRK sub have had to evade detection prior to the incident, but also after having set off a torpedo. Or maybe anti-sub warfare is not all its made out to be.

Well it wouldn't have taken very long for the sub to get back to NK waters. The South Koreans were taken by surprise apparently, because when the ship sank the other corvettes it was with apparently blasted away at nothing for about a half an hour. So I think we can say that they didn't know what exactly had happened until at least a few hours after the sinking?

And yes to whoever said that, the ship apparently was not warned about an incoming torpedo, so it's highly unlikely that they heard the sub before hand.

ravenshield936 · May 21, 2010

bd popeye said:
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If you people look at the "evidence" of the torpedo in the last few photos, I have a question. Is that rust on the torpedo? Should it look like this at all?

I mean, the evidence should tell a timeline of what happened, and therefore, any rust, coloration, should point to something.

Another thing will be, if NK really did it, I think it's not coincidental with Kim going to Beijing. PRC in fact is quite quiet in the reaction, so I feel something is really going on.

Pointblank · May 21, 2010

ravenshield936 said:
If you people look at the "evidence" of the torpedo in the last few photos, I have a question. Is that rust on the torpedo? Should it look like this at all?

I mean, the evidence should tell a timeline of what happened, and therefore, any rust, coloration, should point to something.

Another thing will be, if NK really did it, I think it's not coincidental with Kim going to Beijing. PRC in fact is quite quiet in the reaction, so I feel something is really going on.

1. Yep. And it should, the torpedo was subjected to extremes in temperature and pressure in a corrosive environment.

2. The rust and discolouration will help give an idea of how long the torpedo was underwater, but metallurgy will help determine where it was manufactured.

AssassinsMace · May 21, 2010

Maybe a more extensive examination of the rust says something but look at the ship wreckage. A lot of rust on there too. Here's one for conspiracy. How about how they said another NK torpedo salvaged had the same markings. How about it's the same torpedo.

bd popeye · May 21, 2010

1) That's is not a USN/NATO MK46 or Mk48 Torpedo..
2) Corrosion occurs as soon as unprotected metal encounters sea water.

Hard for me to understand why so much of the torpedo is intact. Curious

Red Moon · May 21, 2010

Hard for me to understand why so much of the torpedo is intact. Curious

That was my feeling, just a few posts up (#172)

AssassinsMace · May 21, 2010

I don't about underwater since there is pressure pushing in all the time but by pshyics when a bomb explodes the parts of the bomb just break and don't incinerate. Which is why in a bombing they can find pieces to give them clues. It's like the bomb parts being at the center get a faster ride away from and before the main damage of the explosion. I think that's how it works.

The sinking of South Korean Corvette Cheonan

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