The Q-5, J-7, J-8 and older PLAAF aircraft

thunderchief

Senior Member
So in essences you see a force ratio of 1 good 4+ generation aircraft in combination with 2 or 3 upgraded 3 generation aircraft. This mixed force working together with AWACs and/or ground control radar?

Yes, something like that. In most cases opponent won't be able to discern what type of aircraft exactly is he facing . 6 planes on radar are more threatening then 3, and you simply cannot underestimate any of them .
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
Yes, something like that. In most cases opponent won't be able to discern what type of aircraft exactly is he facing . 6 planes on radar are more threatening then 3, and you simply cannot underestimate any of them .

It just seems to make sense that in today’s straped for money militaries a cheap effective aircraft can augment the expensive multi-roll aircraft. These inexpensive fighter are inexpensive to buy, maintain and help reduce the ware and tear in the more expensive aircraft. And of course we already talked about it providing additional fight hours for pilots, or could be used as an aggressor group for combat air tactics.
I wouldn’t have it as the back bone of the air group, but I serves its purpose as a filler aircraft.

I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 

Laozier

Just Hatched
Registered Member
For the J 1-4, there are a couple of argument, I'll list 3 major ones
1st: Because the first type of Chinese fighter built by Chinese people is Mig-17 in 1950s., so it was named 'J-5"
2nd: Not only the the Fighter, the Chinese bomber and helicopter are started with"5" because 5 pronounces same as "none"in Chinese, so it means "grow out from nothing”
3rd: Before J-5 Chinese importer 4 types of piston fighter from CCCP but they are not name "J-xx", So J-5 is the 1st "J-xx" fighter.

And for J-12, It is "guerrilla" extremely light front line fighter, about 4 tons. It can take off in less than 500 meters and be transported by tracks. It is the 1st fighter designed by Chinese and because of lack of experience, the plane was considered not better than J-7/J-8 and the plan was stopped.
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
China CCTV news reported PLA Navy equip new JL-9G training plane as their future carrier-based training aircraft. These Aircraft will also serve on the carrier in a support roll for the J-11.

Very interesting evolution in aircraft development: Mig21 ==> J-7 ==> JL-9 ==> FTC-2000 ==> JL-9G (did I miss a step?). Once again they add DSI inlet technology to new plane. There's no doubt PLA Navy hope to use JL-9 to train future pilots of J-15 fighter.

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Miragedriver

Brigadier
Young pilots from North sea fleet carry out night training on JL-9

[video=youtube;pQcg92EqwW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQcg92EqwW8&feature=player_embedded[/video]

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thunderchief

Senior Member
And for J-12, It is "guerrilla" extremely light front line fighter, about 4 tons. It can take off in less than 500 meters and be transported by tracks. It is the 1st fighter designed by Chinese and because of lack of experience, the plane was considered not better than J-7/J-8 and the plan was stopped.

Got any pics and/or articles about J-12 ? It seems it was very nice little plane .

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Miragedriver

Brigadier
I really like the new wing configuration of the JL-9G of that of the original JL-9:

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Original JL-9

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New wing configuration

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Nice lite weapon load

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POKL

New Member
Interesting – so while the Super Seven project (basically a solid nose / side intakes J 7) did not get off the ground because of the sanctions the US impose the effort associated with it did not go to waste being utilised in the JF 17 / FC 1 project (this being handled in a separate thread) and also as I can see in this thread in the JL 9 (9G) which seems to be very closely related to the J 7 (thus also the MiG 21) being basically a solid nose / side intakes version of it (yes I know also a lot internal / equipment improvements but I am talking about the basics).

Going back to my favourite subject that is combat use. Here is a graphic showing the Sri Lankan F 7 claimed “kill” against Tamil Tigers (LTTE) light aircraft. I have it saved on the HDD of my PC and do not remember the exact source of it anymore.

Also I was unable to locate the article on J 7 combat use on the other forum so if Sigecrossbow (anybody else for the matter) could help me would I would be very grateful.
 

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