The next generation of Chinese leader are unveiled.

I'm not really that knowledgeable about Chinese politics, but from what I read so far, Jiang's faction wants further development for the cities, industry and economic growth.

Hu's faction cares more about equal growth, transfer wealth to the country side, developing inland provinces.

Both faction agrees on foreign policy and political control and controlling corruption and all that. The major difference is probably competing for who is the boss. Jiang never really give up his power after he step down, Jiang's power base is very much base on him personally, while Hu's power base is not as much as based on Hu himself as much as a group of people with similar background, and so far Jiang's power is dominating over Hu's faction for the past 10 years, and look like it will still be that way for a while to come. I think after Hu step down, no one will be in control of his faction, so it is very possible his faction would just give up and seek comprise with Jiang.

You're right on. According to my friend, there can be seen as either 2 or 3 factions, with bo representing the 3rd. 2 will be reformist vs maoist, while 3 will be jiang, hu, bo.
somewhat they will represent our shares of left(bo), moderate(hu), and right (jiang), and i hope i don't i didn't oversimply this analogy
 

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I think the factional differences are being somewhat overblown (and usually by commentators who have only just discovered there existence in the last few weeks).
The factional danger in this transition has been neutered by the removal of Bo and his clique.
The job that needs to be done is the job that needs to be done and much of this remains spreading development into the interior and the maturing of land based trade routes/communications across the continent. This is not about to change, simply on account of the personalities now in charge or the internal power structure which they used to ascend within the party.
 

jackliu

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I don't think Bo was ever a faction. The Western media really had a field day on him and made him look more important than he really is.

You got to remember, the guy was still a party chief of a province and part of the 20+ man committee. So actually on the surface he didn't have that much power. His power only comes from people that supported him higher up like Zhou Yongkang (Politburo Standing Committee), and probably some of the very old elders from his father's generation.

At best he had an idea that pander to the nostalgia of Mao era times.

Bo was actually part of the Jiang faction starting out, but power got to his head and he think he can gain power by playing a demigod so he strikes out on his own. The people that supported him, probably don't even have his best interest or even believe in his cause, they are only using him like he is using them.

And of course in his struggle for power he upset a lot of people.. people that are actually IN real position power, so as a result they took him down. It is safe to say his quest for power never even got started at all, and it is good it ended the way it did.
 

latenlazy

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I don't think Bo was ever a faction. The Western media really had a field day on him and made him look more important than he really is.

You got to remember, the guy was still a party chief of a province and part of the 20+ man committee. So actually on the surface he didn't have that much power. His power only comes from people that supported him higher up like Zhou Yongkang (Politburo Standing Committee), and probably some of the very old elders from his father's generation.

At best he had an idea that pander to the nostalgia of Mao era times.

Bo was actually part of the Jiang faction starting out, but power got to his head and he think he can gain power by playing a demigod so he strikes out on his own. The people that supported him, probably don't even have his best interest or even believe in his cause, they are only using him like he is using them.

And of course in his struggle for power he upset a lot of people.. people that are actually IN real position power, so as a result they took him down. It is safe to say his quest for power never even got started at all, and it is good it ended the way it did.

Bo was a wolf in sheep's clothing. He was technically a "princeling", but he "out-lefted" the Hu-Wen faction. I'm of the opinion that he was disingenuous and just seeking to carve out his own political power center, but opportunistic or not there really is now the inklings of a third "New Left" faction.
 

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Just some articles about the personal backgrounds.

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Look like all of them have very solid background in economics and governorship, more than half of them was in charge of a county. But less technocrat than the last generation of leaderships.

[video=youtube;5vKXksyFScA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vKXksyFScA[/video]
 

Subedei

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A successful succession with complete transfer of power to the successors.




They kind of look like the Temple Menorah of the Israelites, standing there.
 
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Look like all of them have very solid background in economics and governorship, more than half of them was in charge of a county. But less technocrat than the last generation of leaderships.

[video=youtube;5vKXksyFScA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vKXksyFScA[/video]


I'm gonna missed the technocratic leadership of Hu Jintao. Yes they may be boring to talk to or discuss, but hey they make it up with great results without any fan fare. It's all about responsibility to the people and being competent in their decision making.
 

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I found this rather lengthy wsj article today, wich, to me at least, brought up some interesting points.

Basicly it starts saying that the old grand master Jiang Zemin never really let go of his grip on power in the background of the party and managed to install several members of his princeling faction in the new standing party committee. "Younger" members of the Hu faction are, however, said to be placed in a position now that allows them to be brought to top spots in the next round of 2022. Is that maybe an agreed modus operandi for the future, allowing a different kind of ballance? Every faction gets it's ten year period to forward it's ideas and not have endless discussions with a tied situation in the body, making progress much harder to achieve. Looks a little like the old roman habbit of having two consules who are alternating in wielding their powers.
The article also points out that, since Hu is apparently more willing to release power faster then Zemin, and since the new leadership is in Zemins faction, bolder actions on economic reform are to be exspected. Do any of you see that as well?
Then there's also the hint that besides Xi Jinping & Li Keqiang, the other five members of the standing committee will only be able to server for one 5 year period due to age reasons, so another larger reshuffle can be exspected in that time.

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Ex-Leader Wins in Beijing Power Play
Party Elder Jiang Had Heavy Hand In the Selection

BEIJING—In the chess game of Chinese politics, the new Communist Party leadership unveiled on Thursday may have been the last gambit of a grand master: the 86-year-old former president and party general secretary, Jiang Zemin.
Mr. Jiang was thought to be on his death bed last year, but shook off his illness and a potentially damaging scandal to ensure that the new seven-man Politburo Standing Committee—the top governing body—is once again dominated by his protégés and allies.
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And the next move in the game belongs to Mr. Hu, whose allies lost out in the battle for Standing Committee seats this year but are in prime spots to join the body in 2017, according to party insiders and political analysts.
In giving up his post as head of the Central Military Commission, Mr. Hu indicated that he would not retain the same level of influence as Mr. Jiang, who retained the military post for two years after retiring as party chief in 2002.
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But only Mr. Xi and Li Keqiang, the expected future premier who is Mr. Hu's main ally, will remain on the body after 2017—as all the five incoming members will be able to serve just one five-year term for age reasons—raising the prospect of another shift in the factional balance of power.
Mr. Jiang is seen as the figurehead of a loose grouping of leaders, many of whom are princelings, while Mr. Hu heads a rival grouping, most of whose members don't have any revolutionary ancestry and rose instead through the ranks of the Communist Youth League.
"The new Standing Committee is not balanced," said Cheng Li, an expert on Chinese politics at the Brookings Institution. "There will be a backlash against Jiang Zemin and his princeling faction."
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nugroho

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I'm gonna missed the technocratic leadership of Hu Jintao. Yes they may be boring to talk to or discuss, but hey they make it up with great results without any fan fare. It's all about responsibility to the people and being competent in their decision making.
Yes, I agree.
But there is something strange.
How can a economist lawyer Li keqiang be a prime minister,( it had been always an engineer's job ) ?
Remember Hu, Wen, Xi are engineer.
 
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