The next generation of Chinese leader are unveiled.

jackliu

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BEIJING (Reuters) - China's president-in-waiting Xi Jinping won a strong mandate on Thursday to lead the world's second-biggest economy and deal with problems ranging from corruption to economic uncertainty.

Xi was appointed head of both the ruling Communist Party and its top military body as the ruling Communist Party unveiled a new leadership line-up consisting of conservatives and respected financial reformers.

In an address at the end of the party's once-in-five years congress, Xi said he understood the people's desire for a better life but warned of severe challenges going forward.

"Our party is dedicated to serving the people," he said after introducing the other six members of the standing committee at the Great Hall of the People in a carefully choreographed ceremony carried live on state television.

"It has led the people in making world-renowned achievements, and we have every reason to take pride in these achievements," he added, speaking in perfect Mandarin.

"But we are not complacent, and we will never rest on our laurels. Under the new conditions, our party faces many severe challenges, and there are also many pressing problems within the party that need to be resolved, particularly corruption, being divorced from the people, going through formalities and bureaucratism caused by some party officials."

The run-up to the handover has been overshadowed by the party's biggest scandal in decades, with former high-flyer Bo Xilai sacked as party boss of the southwestern Chongqing city after his wife was accused of murdering a British businessman.

Xi will be steering China for at least the next five years with a mixed team, including the urbane, English-speaking anointed next premier Li Keqiang, and North Korea-trained economist Zhang Dejiang.

That could make undertaking the kind of reforms China so desperately needs, whether financial or social, much harder. Two senior leaders with strong reform credentials -- Guangdong party boss Wang Yang and party organization head Li Yuanchao -- did not make it to the standing committee, the party's premier body.

And Wang Qishan, 64, currently the vice-premier in charge of economic affairs, will take over the graft-fighting role, rather than having anything to do with financial affairs.

"The leadership is divided," said Jean-Pierre Cabestan, a Chinese politics expert at Hong Kong Baptist University.
"It's easier for them to move to a new growth model. I think they agree upon that and that won't be the hardest task. But I see a lot of political paralysis in terms of changing the political system."

CUT TO SEVEN

Still, the standing committee - the innermost circle of power in China's authoritarian government - has as expected been cut to seven members from nine, which should ease consensus building and decision making.

Zhang is expected to head the largely rubber-stamp parliament, while Shanghai party boss Yu Zhengsheng is likely to head parliament's advisory body, according to the order in which their names were announced.

Tianjin party chief Zhang Gaoli and Liu Yunshan, a conservative who has kept domestic media on a tight leash, make up the rest of the group.

Xi will take over Hu's state position in March at the annual meeting of parliament, when Li will succeed Premier Wen Jiabao.
Despite the problems ahead, Xi will at least not have to worry about Hu looking too much over his shoulder.

Hu has not followed his predecessor Jiang Zemin in staying on as head of the military commission after stepping down as party chief. Xi has instead directly taken over that post, strengthening his position.

Advocates of reform are pressing Xi to cut back the privileges of state-owned firms, make it easier for rural migrants to settle in cities, fix a fiscal system that encourages local governments to live off land expropriations and, above all, tether the powers of a state that they say risks suffocating growth and fanning discontent.

With growing public anger and unrest over everything from corruption to environmental degradation, there may also be cautious efforts to answer calls for more political reform, though nobody seriously expects a move towards full democracy.
The party could introduce experimental measures to broaden inner-party democracy - in other words, encouraging greater debate within the party - but stability remains a top concern and one-party rule will be safeguarded.

"We're not going to see any political reform because too many people in the system see it as a slippery slope to extinction," said David Shambaugh, director of the China Policy Program at George Washington University's Elliott School of International Affairs.

"They see it entirely through the prism of the Soviet Union, the Arab Spring and the Colour Revolutions in Central Asia, so they're not going to go there."

It is now 7 members instead of original 9, everyone of the original 9 members have been replaced. They will guide the overall direction of China for the next 10 years. I wish them luck and govern China well, I hope they can weather the upcoming global economy crisis successfully and guide China on a better path.

Here are the 7 members.
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cn_habs

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I thought downsizing the Standing Committee would help Xi to implement gradual reforms but I didn't expect Jiang was going make such a personal statement with it. Maybe Hu was just too complacent or compromised himself for the stability of the party. With Li and Wang out of the picture, potential reforms won't be come anytime soon IMHO.
 

jackliu

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I thought downsizing the Standing Committee would help Xi to implement gradual reforms but I didn't expect Jiang was going make such a personal statement with it. Maybe Hu was just too complacent or compromised himself for the stability of the party. With the Li and Wang out of the picture, potential reforms won't be come anytime soon.

Yes, it appears 6 out of the 7 are part of Jiang faction. That pretty much make sure Hu will not have much influence after he retires. I don't think Li Keqiang will be a faction by himself, he will probably try to fit in with the rest of the group. Oh well, maybe more unity means better decision making in the end. Hopefully they can see what is need to be done and do the necessary reforms since they are not bond by ideology.

edit. ok it is 5 out of 7. But still Hu's people got outnumbered.
 
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Yes, it appears 6 out of the 7 are part of Jiang faction. That pretty much make sure Hu will not have much influence after he retires. I don't think Li Keqiang will be a faction by himself, he will probably try to fit in with the rest of the group. Oh well, maybe more unity means better decision making in the end. Hopefully they can see what is need to be done and do the necessary reforms since they are not bond by ideology.

My friend was just spazzing about this on her facebook how China's future is fucked.(she's from China herself and her parents, including herself, are CCP members.) She's saying how they're mainly the "Shanghai-faction", and I wasn't too aware of what she's talking about until now. Well unless there's going to be miracle, or that it's all premature assumptions we're making and that they will still follow with the necessary reforms and do what's needed to make things right whether or not they're conservatives or not, I guess we can kiss China's future good-bye as apparently Jiang won.
 

jackliu

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My friend was just spazzing about this on her facebook how China's future is fucked.(she's from China herself and her parents, including herself, are CCP members.) She's saying how they're mainly the "Shanghai-faction", and I wasn't too aware of what she's talking about until now. Well unless there's going to be miracle, or that it's all premature assumptions we're making and that they will still follow with the necessary reforms and do what's needed to make things right whether or not they're conservatives or not, I guess we can kiss China's future good-bye as apparently Jiang won.

Don't worry, those people are just alarmists, Jiang actually hold more power than Hu during his 10 year tenure, and China didn't do so badly.

Those people are not idiots, they know well if they screw up China, they too will suffer. It is more likely the new members will put more efforts into economic reform rather than political reforms.
 

montyp165

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Any political reform at this point will be tied to economic reforms, I don't think that political reforms for its own sake would occur until the per capita GDP level goes past the $10,000/year mark.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
It seems funny that anyone especially Westerners would be disappointed that democracy in not the cards. I think that's pretty much a given.

Can anyone explain the differences in more detail between the Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao factions. Yes I understand the Jiang faction maybe more conservative but they're all a bunch of communists and don't really expect much change in a macro sense.
 
It seems funny that anyone especially Westerners would be disappointed that democracy in not the cards. I think that's pretty much a given.

Can anyone explain the differences in more detail between the Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao factions. Yes I understand the Jiang faction maybe more conservative but they're all a bunch of communists and don't really expect much change in a macro sense.

If I remember right, since the Shanghai(Jiang) factions are those who came from Shanghai or the coastal areas. They will have more focus on the coastal areas and less for the interior developments as well as securing their own benefits. The other factions are more towards a gradual reform of also the interior areas, including policies and economics and wealth etc.

That is if I recall everything correctly.
 
Any political reform at this point will be tied to economic reforms, I don't think that political reforms for its own sake would occur until the per capita GDP level goes past the $10,000/year mark.

I just hope any reforms won't wait too long, because problems left too long will evolve and reproduce itself to new things. It's very biological.
 

jackliu

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It seems funny that anyone especially Westerners would be disappointed that democracy in not the cards. I think that's pretty much a given.

Can anyone explain the differences in more detail between the Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao factions. Yes I understand the Jiang faction maybe more conservative but they're all a bunch of communists and don't really expect much change in a macro sense.

I'm not really that knowledgeable about Chinese politics, but from what I read so far, Jiang's faction wants further development for the cities, industry and economic growth.

Hu's faction cares more about equal growth, transfer wealth to the country side, developing inland provinces.

Both faction agrees on foreign policy and political control and controlling corruption and all that. The major difference is probably competing for who is the boss. Jiang never really give up his power after he step down, Jiang's power base is very much base on him personally, while Hu's power base is not as much as based on Hu himself as much as a group of people with similar background, and so far Jiang's power is dominating over Hu's faction for the past 10 years, and look like it will still be that way for a while to come. I think after Hu step down, no one will be in control of his faction, so it is very possible his faction would just give up and seek comprise with Jiang.
 
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