The long-awaited eruption of Anti-mainland tensions in Hong Kong

AssassinsMace said:

The problem with Hong Kong is the supposed freedoms that the British left them haven't helped them with creating their own identity other than declaring themselves as "Hong Kongers." They could be the movie capital of Asia. They don't have those restrictive rules like mainland filmmakers have. They use to be pretty creative with what they had but now all they do is make ten copycat versions for every success that comes around. And now there's more potentional profits available with the mainland box office booming. I don't know what they expect with a new identity. Are they going to shoot themselves in the foot again like with the drama over the handover when all they did was scare foreigners out of Hong Kong isolating themselves?

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I know what you mean. Seems like all the big name HK actors (Andy Lau, Jackie Chan, etc.) are starring in movies made by Mainland directors. Whatever happened to HK cinema anyway?

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ahho said:

Well they said that some people have went out of the hospital without paying, and they have statistics stating that most of them got the service and run away The big issue wasn't this at all, it was pregnant people rushing to the emergency and taking up room in the hospital, even if they paid to the public hospital and PRIVATE HOSPITAL <--- yes someone complain about that.

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Which wouldn't be a problem if they were asked to pay for the service *FIRST*, which is how things are done in the mainland. And if people complain about mainlanders making use of medical facilities after legitimately paying for it, then those kinds of people need to be slapped upside the head.

Well the other problem of paying first is that you get bad publicity. Hong Kong system is always about saving a person first.

This is like the classic example of Deng Xiao Ping being asked by US official and president, the same question where the US has asked the Soviets to allow a certain number of people, who wanted to leave Soviets, to go. The US asked Deng to let the Chinese leave the country and Deng replied, "sure how many do you (US) would like to take in, 40 million, 50 million?" This is comparable where The free world (including HK) want Chinese to remove the one child policy and yet they don't want to be involved in any action or taking in the Chinese. I think this is a good time for HK government and the people of HK to shout out to the Mainland government to let them know is time to get rid of the one child policy.

Well to be honest the so called tension arised from the blown out of proportion news about mainland pregnant women coming to HK hospital, and in a way created hatred. The price of housing rise still cannot be blamed on the Chinese. It was the HK government stated back then that if you purchase a house of 6 million dollar HKD, you will be granted immigrant status. Also when the candidates wanted to be the mayor of HK propose a policy where certain housing build by the government can only be sold to or re-sold to HK citizen. That got shot down immediately since everyone was concern about the resale value.

New in HK is always overblown IMO. When someone dies of disease A (which is a normal occurrence, but it suddenly got a lot of publicity) media tend to keep broadcasting that a lot have died from disease A for the past few month creating a virtual epidemic. This so called tension is also brought to you by, first the normal media (TVB, ATV, SingTao and MingPao) and then salt an pepper are being added by the so called mainstream media where the young generation get their new from (ie. Apple News and the one on the first Video which they only broadcast the section of the events to fit their agenda and put in deceiving comments and gain a lot of population from young generation that have no full understanding of how the world works. Like some US citizen where we usually stereotype them)

Younger generation and the so called educated think that they know everything, since they have freedom of speech and uncensored media, yet they still don't know the full picture. This really saddens me. On a happier note, foreign HK people that have returned to HK is starting to give them more knowledge on the world.

airsuperiority said:

i wonder what you guys think of the incident and the videos, esp the response by that guy on the show and the netizen's response

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Ive always been meaning to ask you this because you are from Hong Kong.

I often hear HK's say that HK was better under British Rule than Chinese.



Considering HK has never known democracy, am I right in thinkingthat what HK's are saying is ,the British made better despotic rulers than the Chinese? OMG

One moment, wasn't part of the Bejing Olympics that Chinese were told how to behave because lots of foreigners will watch closely. Things like spitting and all that. This has a lot to do with different behaviour patterns accepted in other countries and HK has long been under Western influence, but I have just to move a few hundred kilometers east in Europe and I can view most things he complained about in the countryside (or take a night walk in Central Europe and watch drunken people far away from a toilet..., you can now be fined for that). So the hygienic problem possibly has a lot to do with where people come from and it'll take some time till they learn embarassment and even the West where this system has been developed, has not yet perfected it.

bladerunner said:

Ive always been meaning to ask you this because you are from Hong Kong.

I often hear HK's say that HK was better under British Rule than Chinese.



Considering HK has never known democracy, am I right in thinkingthat what HK's are saying is ,the British made better despotic rulers than the Chinese? OMG

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The British were always good at making people fight amongst themselves or others to make themselves look better/be needed, one only needs to see India's development to get a good example of that. In no way shape or form is that sort of fostered egotism among the ruled against other groups good, and it is something that must be strenuously opposed.

It's easy to understand. Why not feel "special" under the British, but yet not equal to the British, than just be like 1.3 billion others? Just as long you can feel superior to everyone else. It's easy to get the attention of anti-China Westerners if they can use you as propaganda to say the West was better. China has changed nothing since the British left. So if they have a problem, it's because of the British system they left. When you want attention, you're going to appeal to those that give it you instead of expecting it from those that don't look as you as anything special. These Hong Kongers could just leave. Like what worth are these people who identify themselves as Hong Kongers to China? Let them leave and find out for themeselves how they're just Chinese to their colonial masters. Do we see Japanese and South Koreans treated as equals over the Chinese in the West? No they're window shoppers looking in from the outside. You can see their failed attempts that they haven't been included in Western popular culture. So what do they have left is only feeling good because they think they're favored by the West over China. And what is China left with. Just the economic world begging trying get in on what the Chinese want. Chinese soft power skyrockets. Just like how these Hong Kongers shot themselves in the foot during the handover thinking somehow the Western world was going save them from the Chinese red menace, do they actually think they serve some precious purpose for China. Leave and disappear into nothing living in a Western country. Yeah I'm sure they're in for a big wake up call when they're not treated like rock stars in the West.

I'm sure this has a lot to do with how the West made a big deal that Hong Kong was going to be in the driver's seat changing China. Meaning they were going to rule China. An undemocratic promise to those who follow that colonialists always make. These Hong Kongers probably just realized that's never going to happen now. It's much like Taiwan where they had to promise everyone a piece of the pie when they took back control over the mainland to keep everyone loyal.




It's all the fault of the mainland because this woman, who left Hong Kong long ago, is losing her favorite noodle shop. And it doesn't help that you only bother to patronize this business only once a year. Such narcissism. Read the comments pointing to the arrogance when Hong Kongers were blamed for the exact same things in Vancouver.

bladerunner said:

Ive always been meaning to ask you this because you are from Hong Kong.

I often hear HK's say that HK was better under British Rule than Chinese.



Considering HK has never known democracy, am I right in thinkingthat what HK's are saying is ,the British made better despotic rulers than the Chinese? OMG

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Just so you know, we are having Direct Elections in 2017, and we have multi-party systems. As for the 3rd premise, do you have a cognitive issue where you can't make a single reply without drawing the use of flamebait or insulting tones?

No offense, but I find you the most tiring person to talk to in this forum.

It's much like what the colonialist did in Africa. There use to be hundreds of nations in Africa but the colonialists redrew the boarders. Then under pressure of the communists during the Cold War they had to decolonize but they still wanted to maintain defacto control. So what did they do? They found a minority ethnicity and told them they were superior and special over everyone else and gave them power to rule undemocratically over everyone else. Then if any civil trouble happened, the rulers would always run to their colonial masters for help being dependent on them. And that's why you have the ethnic strife and civil wars that occur on the African continent.

montyp165 said:

The British were always good at making people fight amongst themselves or others to make themselves look better/be needed, one only needs to see India's development to get a good example of that. In no way shape or form is that sort of fostered egotism among the ruled against other groups good, and it is something that must be strenuously opposed.

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Actually I was thinking of the HK's i meet in the British Colonial days who regarded themselves as the elite. Quite a few had knighthoods OBE's and MBE's and that sorta stuff , pouncing around speeking the Queens English. I use to have a quite chuckle to myself because they couldnt do it quite as well as the Indians. I wonder if very many of them go around speaking the Queens English with a plum in their mouth now.