The Korean war

nameless said:

False, the UN forces consisted of American allies and the security council was dominated by its allies except for the soviets. Its absurd to think that they would no longer consider China a threat even if the cease fire ended in 1950. Non-aligned nations have no interest in the war. If anything US failed to isolate China and caused China to emerge as a major independent power and thus reshaped the UN.

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nameless said:

plawolf is right, you do have an agenda in trying to portray China as the aggressor and a threat when in fact it was China that stood against imperialism.

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sidewinder01 said:

Back to Korean War, can anyone provide some real hard evidence of the soviet material aid to China during the war? I have found claims of "barely anything except limited air support" to " enough firearms and bullets to arm 64 divisions".....I personally felt the aid should be limited as the lack of soviet support was the beginning of the sino-soviet split?

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The classic argument...if you are not with us, then you are against us. Except for ROC, the other American "Allies" are all European powers that doesn't even have enough interests in Pacific affairs...do they even care about China enough to view it as a threat? Maybe the only way for China to gain respect is to eradicate anti-China thoughts everywhere?

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Well, if China really did stood up against imperialism, why did Mao bothered to accepted cease fire talks in 1951 when it is actually "kicking Americans back" to the 38th parallel? Why didn't China reclaim Taiwan when the Soviet Unions pulls out air and naval support? Lack of spirit and political will perhaps?

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What is next, I'm a brainwash imperialist American agent?

Let me see my checklist:
Being accused as an Communist agent, check
Being accused as a snobbish British, check
Being accused as an Imperialist, check
Being accused as an Americanophile, check
Being accused as anti-China, check
Being accused as anti-South Korea, check

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asif iqbal said:

they say time will tell, well in this case time has told, North Korea exists and is a headache for the rest of the world more importantly China itself which created North Korea, so in conclusion China made mistake by entering Korean war because it became everything it wanted by economic policys and not military policys

today China is what it is because it embraced open door policy and intergrated into the world, this is something they should have done in 1950 and not isolated itself until 1979

no further argument about it

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asif iqbal said:

there are some facts here worth stating

1)Mao thought that he could get heavy Soviet industry by entering the Korean war, but as usual Stalin was a lying rodent and that Soviet heavy industry never came

2)Had China not entered the Korean war, North Korea as a country would not exist

3)Had China not entered the war then USA would not had taken such a tough stance on Taiwan and China could have taken back Taiwan in the 1950s or 1960s

the advantages to China were

1)It stood up to a Western power and equaled it, and hence established itself as a power in Asia and the world

2)It stopped Western influence in the region and protected itself from further wars by stopping USA at 38th paralell and not the Yalu river

3)China established a "buffer" zone from which it felt more safe and no threat of invasion could come from Korean lands

they say time will tell, well in this case time has told, North Korea exists and is a headache for the rest of the world more importantly China itself which created North Korea, so in conclusion China made mistake by entering Korean war because it became everything it wanted by economic policys and not military policys

today China is what it is because it embraced open door policy and intergrated into the world, this is something they should have done in 1950 and not isolated itself until 1979

no further argument about it

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The term "human wave attack" was often misused[11] to describe the Chinese short attack — a combination of infiltration and the shock tactics employed by the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) during the Korean War.[12] A typical Chinese short attack was carried out at night by small fireteams on a narrow front against the weakest point in enemy defenses.[12] The Chinese assault team would approach undetected within grenade range, then launch surprise attacks against the defenders in order to create a penetration and to achieve maximum shock and confusion.[12]
If the enemy defenses failed to give way after the initial shock, additional fireteams would press on and attack the same point until a wedge was created in the enemy's defense.[12] Once a penetration was achieved, the bulk of the Chinese forces would move into the enemy rear and attack from behind.[13] During the attacks, the Chinese assault teams would disperse while masking themselves using the terrain, and this made it difficult for UN defenders to target a large number of Chinese troops over a short period of time.[7] The attacks by the successive Chinese fireteams were also carefully timed to minimize casualties.[14] Due to the primitive communication systems and the tight political controls within the Chinese army, short attacks were often repeated indefinitely until the defenses were penetrated or the attackers were exhausted.[12]
This persistent attack pattern left a strong impression on UN forces that fought in Korea, thus the description of "human wave" was born.[8] US Army historian Roy Edgar Appleman observed that the term "human wave" was later used by journalists and military officials to convey the idea that the American soldiers were assaulted by overwhelming numbers of enemies, but it had no relation to the real Chinese infantry tactics of the same period.[1] S.L.A. Marshall also commented that the word "mass" was indiscriminately used by the media to describe Chinese infantry tactics, and it is very rare for the Chinese to actually use densely concentrated infantry formations to absorb enemy firepower.[15] In response to the media stereotype, a joke that circulated among the US servicemen was "how many hordes in a platoon?"[12][16]

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solarz said:

Digging up an old thread, because I got into an argument on some other forum about the performance of Chinese soldiers in the Korean War.

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