It seems they learned well from the Israeli phull sapport.
The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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The crazy thing about this story is how it proves how awful the planning was. When the first shootdowns were verified, I asked “Can the planning really be so incompetent?”, I was met with answers along the lines of “don’t be surprised”
So basically they just took the Zhuhai PL-15E placard at face value and made absolute zero contingency planning around it. This is astounding because even on this forum of amateur enthusiasts the 150km advertised range was met with great skepticism and was assumed to be a big understatement to hide the true range, or some kind of export gimping. From credible Chinese rumours and US statements that PL-15 outranged AIM-120D, there was a strong possibility of exceeding that range one way or another.
From 2019:
I actually found the above link in a quick Google search that pointed to a post on the war thunder forum, so the Indian planning couldn’t even bother to exceed war thunder players.
Do all kids learn that the rice paper is edible by trying to peel it off for a few minutes, giving up and just eating it anyway assuming, what’s the worst that can happen?”India might have actually declared war on China if that delicious "Rabbit Candy"with the rice paper wrapped around it-you wumaos all know this confection-had been "found" on these "terrorists' bodies"-thankfully only Pakistani chocolates so geopolitical crisis averted.
Nah, the Indians were looking for an excuse to beat up on Pakistan while the Americans were paying attention. All evidence was going to point towards Pakistan and only Pakistan.India might have actually declared war on China if that delicious "Rabbit Candy"with the rice paper wrapped around it-you wumaos all know this confection-had been "found" on these "terrorists' bodies"-thankfully only Pakistani chocolates so geopolitical crisis averted.
Actually, if you look at it closely, Operation Sindoor is perhaps the best planned IAF operation, perhaps the best one they've ever tried to pull off. They managed to get a lot of planes up in the air in a short period of time, they managed to use a whole bunch of standoff munitions without ever getting close to the Pakistan border, and so on. If Pakistan hadn't pulled off such an impressive counterstrike, then we'd probably be pretty impressed with what the IAF accomplished. And to be fair, I don't think that very many observers knew that the PAF's BVR would be so effective.
Of course, it's extremely dumb of the Indians to assume that a random placard would give away highly classified information. But I'm still seeing supposedly informed people still bring up the 145km range. Then again, I guess that it's a good bellwether for whether said person is worth listening to.
Hi,
when IAF got their first batch of Rafales, by that time China and Pakistan made
a contract of getting J10c in PAF Colours, now here people chat about why PAF
was not getting J10c fact is PAF was waiting for Rafale‘s induction into IAF this
way j10c will compete against them coz it’s in the dna of Indian govt that last time
after 2019 skirmish Modi said Rafale only Rafale
Now here is another catch one should understand is china will not give something
to Pakistan like j10c which will go down against Rafale that’s easily so in future china
can also market it’s product for those countries who can not get Rafale etc so outcome
suppose to be better training better missiles and integration capabilities with other assets
now I’m not claiming anything but if Z10ME came to Pakistan now there must be some little
edge over indian Apaches may be missiles may be something else only time will tell.
thank you
when IAF got their first batch of Rafales, by that time China and Pakistan made
a contract of getting J10c in PAF Colours, now here people chat about why PAF
was not getting J10c fact is PAF was waiting for Rafale‘s induction into IAF this
way j10c will compete against them coz it’s in the dna of Indian govt that last time
after 2019 skirmish Modi said Rafale only Rafale
Now here is another catch one should understand is china will not give something
to Pakistan like j10c which will go down against Rafale that’s easily so in future china
can also market it’s product for those countries who can not get Rafale etc so outcome
suppose to be better training better missiles and integration capabilities with other assets
now I’m not claiming anything but if Z10ME came to Pakistan now there must be some little
edge over indian Apaches may be missiles may be something else only time will tell.
thank you
This makes me question,
If networked J10's can win against un-networked/solo J20's
Does that mean theoretically mean that ..network J10's could get similar results against un-network/solo F22s?=J20?
J20 is better than F22 right?
Mate, they didnt have an awacs in the air from their side, so you can guess
I bet this has to do with the fact that even some of the decision makers/planners believed that 'Chinese stuff is crap, over rated'
More Indian officials need to play warthunder!! /jk
I remember in june some ex-iaf officials still saying Chinese stuff is junk and J35 wont make much difference for Pakistan
Supposedly the do an edge over the apaches, more climb rate in the mountain areas.
Also Also supposedly Z10M's cost $15mil each vs $100 Mil for the Apache's (India got 6 apaches for $600)
Unless Trump
Oh wait…
Rip The E-7's...Surely spacex will launch the space-based awacs equivalent...
Looks like they improved things pretty significantly since the 2016 helo tender. At the time the Z-10 engine didn’t perform up to par for Pakistan’s desert environment.
Actually there are problems in communication links between the F-22 and other aircraft.
So the F-22 has its own unique stealth datalink, the F-35 has another unique stealth datalink, and the other aircraft and systems use Link-16.
The F-22 at least originally could receive but not send Link-16 data. This is "solved" by using modified U-2s as a conversion gateway.
FriedRiceNSpice
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Unless major changes occurr within the IAF, these officials are actually correct. PAF will have air dominance over the IAF regardless of whether or not they operate J-35s.
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