On the one hand it's entirely fair to reign in judgements when presented with a lack of good information. And in this case only Pakistan (and China) have that information. However, it's easy to draw a lot more conclusions than Bronck does in this article. It doesn't feel like he's a very good analyst.
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At present we only have solid imagery evidence for 4 kills - 1 each of Rafale, Su30, MiG29 and M2K. Not seen much or anything for the other 2 claimed Rafale kills.
It’s possible that they got splashed but managed to return to base.
Yeah, now the latest Indian cope is that it doesn't matter if the jets were shot down. Indians are rich unlike poor Pakistanis and they'll just get replacements. Losses don't matter at all. PAF has managed to shot down every major type that they operate (M2k, Rafale and SU30MKI). Omitting the Mig21 loss from 2019 because let's be honest, Mig21 vs F16 armed with AMRAAM is not a fair fight. Imagine if they had shot down JF-17, J10cs and F16's. Can you imagine how much they would have gloated.
All the pictures we have were taken within a few hours of the shootdowns. It's possible that these planes wend down in remote locations and the IAF was able to clean up before pictures were taken. I suspect that more evidence will come out over the following months and years.
I don't think this is what happened. The PAF was positive about what planes they got and it seems likely that they only claimed targets that disappeared off radar. If a Rafale was damaged and not shot down, then it should still show up on radar.
India refusing to let France do an audit on its Rafale fleet pretty much means they are trying to hide their losses
China is happy if India keeps losing planes to pakistani shots and then wastes money buying more. How about they do this on a yearly basis?
Consider that it took India 15 years to start the acquisition process, bidding and eventual delivery of rafale, I would say losing more planes like this will take them a very long time to replace.
It might means their families won’t receive the combat death compensation that they are entitled to.
India's richness is very uneven tho, The recent talk about overtaking japan made me check, Japan is 40 billionaires vs Indian 248 billionaires (even china doesnt have that many), the growth/economic prosperity money isnt going to gov or the people but to select people.
But yeah all of the internet has been spared from the gloating if IAF had gotten any kills (they are gloating about the buildings they hit and run/hanger too much already)
I am leaning more to believe PAF side (minus the obvious reason) I think they knew they had to be transparent about both hits they did and hits they got, because both the Chinese and Americans were watching.
The other 2 Rafales hits being claimed are from Kashmir side, if fell in hilly areas no one would see it (like that helicopter rescue search from last page)
There is also question whether another airbattle did happen over indian kashmir, multiple people even from india side reported it or was it false.
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The Indian fans are missing the forest for the trees. While they may not know exactly what happened on May 7, the IAF is all too aware that they're completely overmatched by the PAF's capabilities. The reason why the number of kills isn't important is because the bigger implication is that the PAF has achieved an aerial warfare revolution and the IAF has no solutions. Buying more planes doesn't do a damned thing until they can match that same kind of revolution. India is going to have to do a lot of major rethinking about the broader implications of what happened before they go on some sort of spending spree.
After May 7, I doubt that you'll find any IAF pilots willing to take up their planes within PL-15 range of Pakistan.