It could also be MLRS rockets that hit this area, I'm not sure if PAF claimed a shoot down here, if this is near the S-400 strike it could possible though I guess
On a side note, this is the Indian Army chief
The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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On a side note, this is the Indian Army chief
Could a possible route be to co-develop/techtransfer su57's? For lotssss of money? Learn from co-development too
Who is the Baron Harkonen from dune looking priest guy, the heck is going on, a gold mace??
a Hindu priest that was accused of practising pedophilia, gold mace I have no clue why but I guess to symbolise strength and leadership
Hindus being a mix of the Harkonnens and Geonosian is really not on my Bingo card for 2025.....
Does the Mace have any meaning beside wielding power or something?
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It's not hard to design a 5th generation fighter. It's hard being able to produce a 5th generation fighter at scale. It's a capability only the US and China has demonstrated. Russia is making progress and getting closer each year, but not there yet.
Building a fighter isn't like assembling Lego blocks. You need to be able to build tens of thousands of individual parts that make up the dozens or so of different components. You need to be able to produce very complex specialized machinery, machine tools, presses, etc each composed of hundreds or more specialized parts that you also need to be able to fully produce. You need to be capable of the metallurgy and have a sufficiently advanced capability in materials science for the airframe/engine, electronics manufacturing and software capability for the sensors/avionics/EW suite. The prerequisites to being able to produce 5th generation fighters include mastery over dozens of different industries and technological/scientific industries.
I've written about this in previous posts crapping on the Tejas before. The problem is that the feature creep and delays in production creates a negative feedback loop. They never actually internalize the lessons of what the industrial base is actually capable of. They want to create a Super Tejas Mk2 with F414, but they haven't really gotten even the 1st gen off the ground. The resources are wasted chasing pipe dreams. At some point they should have accepted and built a disappointing Tejas, or cancelled it.
China's aircraft development history is filled with cancelled projects that were able to be conceptualized, but beyond the industrial capabilities. Even the J-8II (Peace Pearl version) was cancelled mainly for economic reasons. To let these projects linger, they are quite literally a drag on the system.
I read up on it, its the weapon of some indian god of strength, The Priest specifically gave it to indian chief with request of 'reconquering' Pakistan kashmir because some ancient indian temple is on that side.
They already tried that and they claim the Russian were stiffing them on the tech transfer, I don’t think the Indians are likely to go down this route again, since they are trying to cozy up to the US a bit more nowadays.
I understand where you are coming from but the issue is that in order to produce at scale, you will have to start production in the first place.
Starting production and scaling was never the problem the Indians had, it was political and procurement BS that kept getting in the way, feature creep from the military and mismanaged expectations on the political side has always been the issue with Indian military development. Take Tejas mk1 for example, they could have procured more as a means of scaling while working on the MK1A but they decided that mk1 was not good enough and wanted MK1A instead, which in turn only delayed production further.
Tejas was the prove that they could produce a relatively complex fighter, with all the intricacies and complexities. But scaling was not the issue, procurement was. So it wasn’t a technical issue but one of action, as in actually doing the work regardless of whether the system was a wonder weapon, basically believing their own BS got in the way.
Concerning the technological and scientific side of things, even if it is inferior now, it still have to be started and the best way to work out kinks is to produce the damn thing first, then work it out with practical experience. Put your current best stuff on it and make better stuff after. Even the US and China couldn’t build the f22/f35 and j20/j35 out of nowhere. All prior projects contributed. Since the Indians don’t have that base, they can only brute force it the hard way, funnily enough the jf-17 is sort of an example of this.
I completely agree which is why I have always maintained that the issues Indians have is not one of ability but will. They are indecisive when and where it matters, believing their own BS that design is everything while not really taking care of the actual important part, i.e. actually producing something. They kept hitting the books while they should have taken action.
I would say however, industrial base is not a limiting factor as that can be built up with the projects but it needs to actually be built up. I have been saying ages ago that they should have kept production of the Tejas mk1, to build the industrial base, while redesigning for the MK1A and retrofitting after if possible but in traditional Indian fashion, bean counting won out, thus they want to save for the perfected version and ended up only with more drawing board action.
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