The Kashmir conflict 2025.

HailingTX20

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Every Indian is celebrating this. So do we have confirmation that the debris only has limited value? Many Indians are claiming it's completely intact, unexploded, without a single part missing. And because of this, China won't sell J-35 to Paki, to punish them & prevent more tech leak. :oops:


Not like the missile is magical or anything. It doesn't have components that an AIM missile doesn't have or that worldwide intelligence agencies don't know about. And the PL-15 is 10 years old. Recovering an intact missile isn't the key to be able to all of a sudden defeat China or even Pakistan.

Having more intelligence is never useless, but anyone thinking that China, or any other country, exports their arms without full well knowing that there's a potential for it to be studied by adversaries is either incredibly naive or blinded by jingoism.
 

Rafi

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Not like the missile is magical or anything. It doesn't have components that an AIM missile doesn't have or that worldwide intelligence agencies don't know about. And the PL-15 is 10 years old. Recovering an intact missile isn't the key to be able to all of a sudden defeat China or even Pakistan.

Having more intelligence is never useless, but anyone thinking that China, or any other country, exports their arms without full well knowing that there's a potential for it to be studied by adversaries is either incredibly naive or blinded by jingoism.

the front end is gone, so not much to learn for the veggie pies.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Speaking of the utilization of A-shoot, B-guide during the recent aerial skirmish - Here's a rough map showing the PLAAF's KJ-500 radar coverage over the disputed regions between India and Pakistan.

The publicly-available claim of maximum range for the PLAAF's KJ-500 radar sets is listed at 470 kilometers. However, due to the high-altitude terrains of the Himalayan and Pamir mountain ranges and other possible factors (weather, EW etc), I downgraded the value to 350 kilometers.

All the KJ-500s are set to fly about 40-50 kilometers from the border lines.

kj500coverageindiapakistan1.jpg

As seen, most of the Jammu & Kashmir (J&K) and the entirety of Ladakh can be covered by the KJ-500's radar systems. There are only the western portions of the J&K that aren't covered, though I believe that one or two Erieye AEW&Cs operated by the PAF should be sufficient to fill the remainder coverage gap over J&K (of which the PAF operates 10 in total).

And then, there are also the following considerations:
1. The KJ-500 radar sets' coverage could in fact be greater than the aforementioned 350 kilometers, mainly because the KJ-500s are operating over the Himalayan and Pamir mountain ranges while looking down at the relatively lower terrain of northern India;
2. There are no stealth warplanes in enemy service in South Asia until the mid-2030s, at the earliest;
3. There are also the next-gen AEW&C aircrafts (namely the KJ-700 and KJ-3000) which will be joining PLAAF service within the next few years (if not already). Both the KJ-700 and KJ-3000 are expected to provide even greater radar coverage ranges than the KJ-500, as both of them feature larger dual-face AESA radar arrays than those on the KJ-500, among other improvements/upgrades; and
4. The addition on unmanned (and somewhat attritable) reconnaissance and AEW assets to the overall equation, such as the WZ-7, WZ-10 and (especially) WZ-9.

I suppose it wouldn't be an exaggeration to suggest that warplanes taking off from New Delhi could be spotted from the Chinese side of the border, either.

Hence, I don't think the importance of the implications of China providing assistance to Pakistan in its defense against India in this particular domain, despite China not being an active belligerent in the conflict against India can be overstated. It mainly depends on how well-integrated the data-sharing capabilities between the Chinese and Pakistani forces are, in this case.
 
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bustead

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Every Indian is celebrating this. So do we have confirmation that the debris only has limited value? Many Indians are claiming it's completely intact, unexploded, without a single part missing. And because of this, China won't sell J-35 to Paki, to punish them & prevent more tech leak. :oops:


This has the same energy of "I am shot by a .300 blackout, therefore in the future I can build my own .300 rifle."
Even if we forget about the skill of building T/R units in small sizes, how would you even program the controls? How would you manage ECCM? How would you integrate a new missile with different datalink spacs into existing airframes?
 

sutton999

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Not like the missile is magical or anything. It doesn't have components that an AIM missile doesn't have or that worldwide intelligence agencies don't know about. And the PL-15 is 10 years old. Recovering an intact missile isn't the key to be able to all of a sudden defeat China or even Pakistan.

Having more intelligence is never useless, but anyone thinking that China, or any other country, exports their arms without full well knowing that there's a potential for it to be studied by adversaries is either incredibly naive or blinded by jingoism.
This is not a intact

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lcloo

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I am no expert and I have no knowledge on this. So be easy on my ignorance.

Are the instruction and target data in an air to air missile stored in RAM or ROM? If both mode of storage are used, which is more common? and will critical software be stored in RAM? If the data and instructions are in RAM, shouldn't all software instruction, target data etc be deleted with power outage?

Which mean any aam that did not self-destruct would have no data in its memory storage?

Complete software, instruction, target data etc may be store on the aircraft itself, and uploaded to the missiles before take-off for the mission.
 
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