The Kashmir conflict 2025.

Black Wolf

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I get your point but there is a different nuance here,
Pakistan has no insane ultranationalistic (holier than thou we are the best, even the west fears us) political party like BJP/RSS, they(most of the population) dont like their religious parties that much either.
And 'internal security' issue censorship is different matter vs Censorship when countries is involved in a conflict with another nation state,

Take Iran israel issue as example, Iran didnt do censorship at all ( even though its generally reported that IRGC tries to do that, journo suppression etc) vs Israel doing it heavily, even barring /taking equipment of western news agencies.

This also plays into expectations, India the 'largest democracy of the world' and Israel 'the only democracy in the middle east' act like semi-authoritarian states that they themselves criticize

I see what you’re saying, and you raise an important nuance. Pakistan doesn’t have a political force quite like the ultra-nationalistic BJP/RSS, nor do most people there seem to support their religious parties strongly. That definitely shapes how censorship and control manifest internally.

However, there’s a clear difference between censorship justified by internal security concerns and censorship used during conflicts between nation-states. For example, in the Iran-Israel situation, while Iran is often accused of suppressing journalists, it hasn’t enforced widespread censorship during conflicts like Israel has, which goes so far as to seize equipment from Western media.

That said, in Pakistan, security agencies have gone far beyond censorship, they have abducted people, including women, often not just the targeted individuals but entire families. These agencies have also been involved in mass killings. This kind of intimidation and violent repression creates an atmosphere of fear and control that stifles any dissent.

My point remains that regardless of political context or security justifications, when one side’s narrative is openly criticized but the other side’s perspective is systematically silenced or violently suppressed, it raises serious questions about fairness and true freedom of expression.
 

AlexYe

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That said, in Pakistan, security agencies have gone far beyond censorship, they have abducted people, including women, often not just the targeted individuals but entire families. These agencies have also been involved in mass killings. This kind of intimidation and violent repression creates an atmosphere of fear and control that stifles any dissent.
Same is happening in India, India has 11 separatist/sectarian groups, If they can send assassins to NYC /canada they are doing far worse locally, its often we dont hear because we are from different circles/media control from India.
In ideal world none of this stuff would happen anywhere, its wrong no matter who does it.

And I could be wrong but often times the BJP/RSS stuff is mostly about the 'delusional rhetoric' making fun of that, not their actual politics or policy or what they are doing locally.
 

Black Wolf

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Same is happening in India, India has 11 separatist/sectarian groups, If they can send assassins to NYC /canada they are doing far worse locally, its often we dont hear because we are from different circles/media control from India.
In ideal world none of this stuff would happen anywhere, its wrong no matter who does it.

And I could be wrong but often times the BJP/RSS stuff is mostly about the 'delusional rhetoric' making fun of that, not their actual politics or policy or what they are doing locally.
Absolutely, you're right that none of this should be happening, anywhere. State-sponsored killings, suppression of dissent, or manipulation of media whether in India, Pakistan, or anywhere else are fundamentally wrong. And just because one side does it doesn’t give the other a free pass. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Yes, India has its own set of issues, allegations of international assassinations, crackdowns on dissent, and rising sectarian nationalism. Many of these go unnoticed or unchallenged because of global alliances or media narratives shaped for convenience.

At the same time, in Pakistan, the military establishment has long used brute force abductions, intimidation, even mass killings to control dissent, often beyond the reach of civilian oversight or accountability.

What we need is consistent moral clarity. Making fun of rhetoric is one thing but ignoring the real harm that comes from it whether it's BJP/RSS ultra-nationalism or Pakistan’s deep-state authoritarianism, just fuels more silence and complicity. Calling out one doesn’t mean excusing the other.
 

defenceman

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Hi,
now they want USA to provide them full comprehensive 24/7 365 days a year,
and want to be dealt Pakistan like Iran, why can’t they understand they are not
A country like Israel they been supported to some extent to be a cannon fodder
against China, but we’ll well they can’t keep Pakistan at leash, so how will USA
and European countries even QUAD ones are not ready to give them a shoulder
to pass their tears trickling down with so much pain and buy someone who is a
solider by default and reached to the height of his military job
thank you
 
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