The Kashmir conflict 2025.

sabiothailand said:

Sorry to bring up old topics.
But I've got question about the PL-15E's that India recovered during the border skirmish May 7th.

I saw pictures of the intact missile tube that India recovered, missing its warhead.

I want to ask, do PL-15 missiles set to self-destruct upon missing its targets?

If its warhead exploded, why didn't that also destroy the tube as well?

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Missiles don’t need a self destruct because they are designed such that the warhead of the missile serves that exact purpose anyways. That is why the warhead is placed behind all of the electronics in the missile.

There is no known official cross section diagram for the PL15 in the open domain, but this one of the AIM120 illustrates the point just as well.



As for how the rear section remained so intact, the most obvious answer would be that the missile expended all rocket fuel prior to warhead detonation.

The warhead is a shaped charge, so the overwhelming majority of the force is directed forwards.

If there had been unspent fuel remaining, the rear section would have been destroyed, but its just an empty shell with some actuators, so no big deal to anyone recovering them.

plawolf said:

Missiles don’t need a self destruct because they are designed such that the warhead of the missile serves that exact purpose anyways. That is why the warhead is placed behind all of the electronics in the missile.

There is no known official cross section diagram for the PL15 in the open domain, but this one of the AIM120 illustrates the point just as well.

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As for how the rear section remained so intact, the most obvious answer would be that the missile expended all rocket fuel prior to warhead detonation.

The warhead is a shaped charge, so the overwhelming majority of the force is directed forwards.

If there had been unspent fuel remaining, the rear section would have been destroyed, but it’s just an empty shell with some actuators, so no big deal to anyone recovering them.

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The fact that one person was able to roll the missile around easily shows that only an empty shell remains.

plawolf said:

Missiles don’t need a self destruct because they are designed such that the warhead of the missile serves that exact purpose anyways. That is why the warhead is placed behind all of the electronics in the missile.

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Almost all (to the point I daresay "all") AAM/SAM have self-destruct mechanisms.

... unless what you meant is they do not carry a specific self-destruct package but rather leverages existing components to perform that self-destruct, as what somewhat said, it's just adding software (for the self-destruct)

plawolf said:

The warhead is a shaped charge, so the overwhelming majority of the force is directed forwards.

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Which version of the AIM-120 has a shaped charge that is overwhelmingly forward directed?

Far as I know, almost all (to the point I daresay "all") AAMs use fragmented explosive warheads. It's "shaped" to the point that the annular fragmentation sleeve explodes outwards in a "donut" shape for proximity induced triggers - but that is a 360deg sideways ring, not forward directed at all. The immediate thing that comes to mind when I read a overhelming ly forward directional shape charge is that of a munroe effect shape charge ie. HEAT like a RPG and that is a head scratcher on a AAM ...

ACuriousPLAFan said:

Is this France's (subtle) way of getting back at the Jai Hinds for losing their Rafales against the Pakistani's "cheap worthless junks" i.e. J-10CEs?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1934541551067148567

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As I said in the another thread, expect a lot more blatant disrespect for India from the west at it's highest level. Sindoor was a chance for India to prove it was worth the investment and failed massively. Not only that but they had the gall to blame the west for it.

The west are realizing their investment in India is not paying off and are furious about it. When you see how cutthroat US corps have become, you can see what will happen to underperforming employees.

Randomuser said:

As I said in the another thread, expect a lot more blatant disrespect for India from the west at it's highest level. Sindoor was a chance for India to prove it was worth the investment and failed massively. Not only that but they had the gall to blame the west for it.

The west are realizing their investment in India is not paying off and are furious about it. When you see how cutthroat US corps have become, you can see what will happen to underperforming employees.

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It’s been a month and Jai Hinds are still there talking smack on a certain South Asian forum spreading their version of truth… Their mods are so good tempered lmfao. If it were up to me there will be a blanket IP ban…

They also took over a Turkish subforum on the same subject. No one posting there except you know who…

reservior dogs said:

India is known as the graveyard for investors. I am talking about foreign companies that want to setup production inside India. Historically, a long list of companies came to India, setup shop, then had to leave with their tails tucked between their legs. In addition to the well known lack of infrastructure and the cumbersome bureaucracy, the country regularly pass laws retroactive in a way to shake down companies already inside India. This has become a way for the government to get part of its revenue.

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Nobody wants to be subject to retroactive tax. Look at what happened to Intel. Retroactive tax is something only Indians can think of.

Mind the graphics. Inexplicably using J-10A firing SD-10A for some reason.

4Tran said:

I like that he uses the word "versatile". Who in world buys a plane just because it's versatile? Usually you're trying to perform a particular function well so a plane that's good at things you don't care about don't really matter. But Trappier has to protect his sales, and as long as he uses enough pretty sounding words, maybe buyers won't notice that they don't mean much.

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This versatility extends to the role of kinetic BVRAAM interceptor, a capability neither F-22/F-35 nor Chinese fighters have demonstrated.

Also excels in the manned target drone role.

FriedRiceNSpice said:

This versatility extends to the role of kinetic BVRAAM interceptor, a capability neither F-22/F-35 nor Chinese fighters have demonstrated.

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Someone should forward the interview to F-16.net and see how they react.

This is a douyin video of what it seems a CN tourist (?) allegedly asked a french pilot abt what happened to the IAF rafaIe.

Can someone translate what the pilot answered? Its in french w CN subs. Thanks.