I liked the SMIRKS he had when talking and there is another video where he mocks Modi directly.
Calls him #TemuNetanyahu (Kinda like How indians/westerners would mocked the J10 calling it #TemuPlane
The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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Calls him #TemuNetanyahu (Kinda like How indians/westerners would mocked the J10 calling it #TemuPlane
I have question for people that know more about China -their politics etc.
What do you think of the statements made by Victor Gao? Esp about the indus water treaty 'Don't do onto others, what you do not want others do onto you' Is he someone who can indirectly speak from China's pov? And his statement about the river upstream?
I can link the video clip if someone hasnt seen it.
What do you think of the statements made by Victor Gao? Esp about the indus water treaty 'Don't do onto others, what you do not want others do onto you' Is he someone who can indirectly speak from China's pov? And his statement about the river upstream?
I can link the video clip if someone hasnt seen it.
He did serve as translator for Deng but I don’t think he speaks for Chinese government in official capacity. However he is useful for triggering loud mouthed media heads in a certain unfriendly country.
I don't understand what is their goal by making these statements? Are they willfully damaging their credibility with this clownish behaviour or is the operation really still going on?
Yeah but this was stated at the UN during a press conference. He's there as the chairperson of a group of Pakistani parliamentarians touring international capitals to put forth the Pakistani position regarding the attack in Pehalgaam, Indian support of terrorists in Pakistan and the events from 6th to 10th May.
IDK I've often seen him being referred as "China's unofficial spokesman" and more or less whatever he said with regards to Chinese support came true during the conflict, which may be the reason why people this time around are taking what he said more seriously. The Chinese from our experience have been very strategic and forward thinking in situations like these so it may not be incorrect to say that some significant sort of Chinese help will come for Pakistan if the situation worsens but not the kind of help that people are expecting or the kind that will be public knowledge.
Water sovereignty is a very serious issue and it's probably the reason that India and Pakistan will exchange nukes over if they ever do. Plus this is in the context of India unilaterally "holding in abeyance" the Indus Waters Treaty, cooperation on which wasn't even stopped even during declared wars between India and Pakistan. Beijing also probably sees this as a test for it's world order where if it is able to bring about some sort of understanding or if it is able to get India and Pakistan to cooperate on this then this would be seen by the world as a major diplomatic win for China. That and the fact that dismissing major international agreements like this is a colossal faux-pas that countries will eat significant costs to avoid, so it is likely that Beijing and the world is seeing it from that lens as well. And if India is not honouring its agreements with Pakistan then what is stopping it from not honouring its agreements with China, or the rest of the world. So maybe there's a factor of China maybe wanting to show India what happens if you turn back on what you agreed and give it a taste of its own medicine.
Most of it is for domestic consumption, but yes it goes out and people see the kind of shit that's brewing here and no one likes it. They were probably not thinking to be this bloodied and bruised from this whole shit show. If their PM is to be believed, they were not even expecting to be attacked at all. It makes no bloody sense, this is probably just noise but yeah it just muddies the already muddied waters for no reason whatsoever.
BVR is voodoo magic anyways and there's still no mutually agreed upon way to conduct it. Basically every air force has to tailor their BVR doctrine significantly with regards to their capabilities and the situation they're given. In this case, it is yet to be seen how the whole thing played out turn by turn and how jets on both sides played the whole thing, how many times did they try to attack, how many times did they try to defend, what was the jamming like, how much did the associated assets like AWACS helped.
It seems that whether it be by better tactics, by RoE or by whatever other factor PAF had the significant upper edge but that doesn't mean that they had the easiest time shooting at the Indians. Given the conditions, a kill might have required anything from 2 to 6 shots per kill if not more. Add in the terrain, the realisation by the Indians that they're being shot at, the jamming, the WEZs, what the pilots had for dinner and whatever other factor that you can add in that even despite locking on to 20 jets, 6 was the best that PAF could get that night.
It might be so that at the end of it all, 6 or so was the number that PAF could cautiously kill without putting its jets in danger of being shot down. It might also be so that only 6 were in the good WEZ of the PL-15, it may be so that taking more kills might have meant pulling jets from defensive roles into offensive roles, it might be because of fuel, it might be that there were only so many J-10s to go around and the PAF didn't want to risk putting in JF-17s and Vipers for risk of loss and diplomatic complications respectively.
I dont mean officially because ofcourse not but The indian Journalist PravinSawhney of the 'ForceMagazine' takes whatever Victor Gao says seriously as if they were 'indirect pov of china's gov' that china 'cant say officially', I have been watching his OperationSindhoor videos.
People on reddit etc says he is part of some some think tank in the PRC in beijing, while some says people/media keeps inviting him because he 'speaks good english otherwise he is nobody' (but they word it in a more racist way esp about the english part).