Which site is this wreckage, is this Ramban, Indian-administered Kashmir?
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Which site is this wreckage, is this Ramban, Indian-administered Kashmir?
I've seen some excuses saying oh that evidence doesn't count coz it's on social media. We got stuff like satellite imagery which is the real stuff.Well there's a variety of possible reasons for this, such as government initiated blackouts, limited internet access, limited public cameras to capture strikes, etc. We've seen India employ a very high level of censorship that blocked thousands of social media accounts.
I think in the age of social media it's hard to avoid such clips, most footage even credible analysts and think tanks are using to come to a conclusion is from Twitter/TikTok/FB.
Lot of people in the region (atleast in Pakistan, and probably also in India) still use old cell phones with crappy 3mp cameras.Well there's a variety of possible reasons for this, such as government initiated blackouts, limited internet access, limited public cameras to capture strikes, etc. We've seen India employ a very high level of censorship that blocked thousands of social media accounts.
I think in the age of social media it's hard to avoid such clips, most footage even credible analysts and think tanks are using to come to a conclusion is from Twitter/TikTok/FB.
Last time India attacked in 2019, they alerted civil aviation to clear the area (like most professional militaries do) to avoid shooting down civilian flights. This time in 2025, they attacked without warning while international flights were running in the vicinity. That also makes it difficult for Pakistan to perform interception roles as they could accidentally shoot down civilian aircraft (kinda like how Iran did with the Ukranian airlines). That shows how much disregard India has for civilians.You are not gonna find any clear footage because India did a cowardly attack in the middle of the night and got their asses handed to them. Though I have to give them credit that this time they accounted for the possible "ass handling" and attacked in the middle of night so they can hide their failures in the dark of the night unlike last time when Mr. Abhinandan came crashing down in the daylight and the footage of his bloody nose and subsequent rescue by Pak army became a symbol of defeat for India in International media.
Indian attack formation was focused in the north. The south was mostly just for support. India doesn't have that much ground support in the southern theatre of this conflict (i.e. radars, SAM's, etc).Therefore, the Russians believe that the attacks on the Su-30MKI and MiG-29 in the north came from the side, while the attack on the Rafale in the south was head-on.
I posted those incase future videos show a clearer picture. You can sometimes construct a bigger picture of the events with smaller pieces joined together.It's not really the plane shoot down content, those are plenty fine. It's the random smoke in the distance = military base destroyed fluff people have been posting.
Most mountains there are about 15k feet high. Unless both aircraft are flying around that altitude, I don't see much chance of concealment. Flying through valleys is unreal and dangerous. All the interception videos also show aircraft hit at much higher altitudes.I’ve studied the terrain map carefully, and the mountainous border area between Pakistan and China really is an ideal cover. If I were the Chief of Air Staff in Pakistan, I would definitely position my key forces along the Pakistan-China border, with aircraft facing toward the Rafales. It offers excellent concealment, with a third country (China) in between, and dramatic elevation differences in the valleys.
From the front, you only need to conduct holding actions — the real killing comes from the flank. A direct attack from the side is extremely deadly.
This tactic is absolutely feasible from an operational standpoint. Pakistan has released a lot of misinformation and distractions during their press briefings.
India Confirms It Lost Fighter Jets in Recent Pakistan Conflict
Anil Chauhan, chief of defense staff of the Indian Armed Forces, spoke to Bloomberg's Haslinda Amin on Saturday while attending the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore. He called Pakistan’s claims that it shot down six Indian warplanes "absolutely incorrect,” though declined to say how many jets India lost. It's the first time the Indian military confirmed that it lost an unspecified number of fighter jets in clashes with Pakistan in May. (Source: Bloomberg)
And now the confessions start coming out.Q: 6 indian jets shot down, yes/no?
A: No. Incorrect. That's not important. What's important is why they were down (in other words, yes, they were down).
Classic example of mind and tongue in conflict.
Q: 6 indian jets shot down, yes/no?
A: No. Incorrect. That's not important. What's important is why they were down (in other words, yes, they were down).
Classic example of mind and tongue in conflict.
Reporter: Did India lose any fighter jets to Pakistan?Absolutely incorrect. They only downed five jets and a drone.