The JS's performance and speculations

Kampfwagen said:

It looks like the weapon suffers from a major flaw of Bullpup weapons; it is not ambedexterous. Unless everyone who will use this submachinegun is right handed, it might cause some compatability issues with some soliders. However, considering it's compact nature, it looks to be a reliable PDW and will come in handy for use by armor crews.

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Just wanted to point out that the Steyr AUG is ambidextrous, so it's not necessarily a problem with the Bullpup design scheme... but maybe there aren't enough left-handers in the PLA to warrant a design change.

There are 0 or close to 0 left-handed shooters in the PLA, thus PLA weapons don't have to be ambidextrous. There are close to 0 left handed writers in China, since in grade school natural left handers are forced to use their right hand. In the PLA, they have more recruits than they need, so any lefty is out of luck. For Chinese domestic use, it's really not an issue.

But if they are going for export orders, it is indeed an issue. Bullpup and lefty aren't incompatible, as Zergling pointed out. It just takes more design hassle, which Chinese arms manufactuerers seem largely to skip.

Hehe, indeed, perhaps helical magazines are impractical while looking good on paper. The original Chang-Feng was duel-fed, it could take clips as well (possibly for faster reloading, dunno). I haven't heard much more about it, probably another concept that didn't get past evaluation.

Well I would like to explain my doubts about Js…

We used MP5 with fixed butt stock for CQB training… Like Nethappy said its 680 mm long smg whit 225 mm barrel length… There is also A3 type whit retractable stock (490mm long)…

I preferred A2 version because better stock and her length… Longer gun joust sits better on your shoulder and you have better grip and better situation awareness…
Whit shorter gun sights are to close to your shoulder and line of sight is pretty much f… up…
(Sorry but since English is not my native language I have some problems whit terminology; try aiming rifle from shoulder position and then tray to aim handgun that way and you will understand what I mean)…

We usually taped two clips together so we can change clips quicker and tried to never lover gun from shoulder position during reloading…
Now try to imagine using 450mm smg with clip almost at your shoulder and then tray to replace clip in second and a half… I doubt that I cold… If I’m shooting from hip then yes( but that we never did) but from shoulder definitely no… Shorter soldier maybe could but I have 1.85m…

So I can see Js as great PDW but I would not use it for SWAT work…
Again I do not have problem whit bulpup rifles but I really don’t like bulpup SMGs…

It looks like the weapon suffers from a major flaw of Bullpup weapons; it is not ambedexterous. Unless everyone who will use this submachinegun is right handed, it might cause some compatability issues with some soliders. However, considering it's compact nature, it looks to be a reliable PDW and will come in handy for use by armor crews.

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To be honest I've never heard of such a thing as a left handed person when I was in china (well, I left China when I was 10, so...)

I don't know why you guys are arguing about 5.8mm vs 9mm, the JS is already a 9mm...

I can't speculate about the reloading procedure on the JS, but I would imagine it's pretty much the same for all bullpop weapons, so reloading could indeed take a much longer time than regular designs. You'd have to rotate the weapon up so that the magazine is facing forward, and reload that way, is that correct? I think we all can see the disadvantages in this.

Well I done some searching about the ammo, during my spare time, while i was working. Been in China the last few day. so been busy
There are some US research which show the chinese 5.8mm rifle round is superior to the 5.56 X 45mm. Nevertheless there are no available infomation which show and prove to me which the 5.8mm piston is bette then the 9mm.
You can't use the same comparation of a rifle round to a pistol round.

1) I'm lazy and 2) just because you want proof, I'm not going to bother.

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Dun state anything which u can't prove.

I can't speculate about the reloading procedure on the JS, but I would imagine it's pretty much the same for all bullpop weapons, so reloading could indeed take a much longer time than regular designs. You'd have to rotate the weapon up so that the magazine is facing forward, and reload that way, is that correct? I think we all can see the disadvantages in this

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It really a matter of practice, it's prossible to reload a bullpup as fast as classical rifle.

I see the 5.8mm bullet as a counter to the Belgain 5.7x28mm round. (But I'd guess it's weaker with less power, don't know how much more punch 1mm will give.)

I don't think lefty is a problem here, but the right corner is a fatal one.

But its longer barrel (First, it's a bullpup, second, the type 95 has a really long barrel, even when comparing it to other bullpups, it's like a downgraded SAR-21 of Singapore) and is really small relatively speaking. It'd be a pretty good SMG if you get used to bullpups and solve the right corner problem.

PS: Do you have to fully reload a magazine before loading it onto a gun and shoot?

PS: Do you have to fully reload a magazine before loading it onto a gun and shoot?

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No, all magazines works in same principle. There's a spring in the bottom which is attached to this little stopper that moves downwards everytime the bullet is installed. Atop of the magazine is a little clips to hold the bullets in the magazine and stops them flying over. We hardly ever loaded the magazines to their full capasity, usually just 5-10 rounds...

I see the 5.8mm bullet as a counter to the Belgain 5.7x28mm round. (But I'd guess it's weaker with less power, don't know how much more punch 1mm will give.)

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Well I can see what you mean, it not really going to be much different. Nevertheless the 9mm should give a more powerful punch.

The right concers can be fatels, it really need a solution to fix it and fast.

Gollevainen said:

No, all magazines works in same principle. There's a spring in the bottom which is attached to this little stopper that moves downwards everytime the bullet is installed. Atop of the magazine is a little clips to hold the bullets in the magazine and stops them flying over. We hardly ever loaded the magazines to their full capasity, usually just 5-10 rounds...

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I don't see why we can't fully reload a magazine, with 5-10 rounds you will exhaust the magazine within 1 ~ 2 triggers. To install a bullet into a magazine, we place the bullet a little bit forward to the magazine, and then push it down-backward. That is hard but not impossible. During the Vietnam war (oh, is it allowed to mention about Vietnam war in this forum?) The Viet Cong (communist vietnam) fired as few round as he could. An experienced soldier can fire 1 ~ 2 rounds per trigger. So, by hearing the gun sound we can classify if the gun man is an experienced soldier. In forest fighting, especially when both sides are very near to each other, firing a whole bunch of rounds will expose yourself to the enemy, same meaning as exposing yourself to the death.

Well, if you don't have to fully load a magazine to shoot, I don't see why helicals are deadly.
1st: You are going to have more than 1 loaded magazine with you.
2nd: You don't have to load all 50 bullets at once.
Well, a noob might not be good with #2, but I don't think an experienced user will fully load a magazine during combat.

Also, the guns are for CQB, with things like SWAT being more common. What's the chance it'll take more than a magazine? A scenario with 15 people or more in a case againstrunagates are not very common outside war, wouldn't it?