The JS's performance and speculations

The new JS SMG has come out (Operation status unclear, but it's out.) recently, and being a derivative of the type 95 rifle, a bullpup, how will it do compared to other (Chinese) SMGs?

I have read an article provided by Dongfeng back on ezboard that talked about the type 79, and it was not good at all. The submachine gun was light and had a relatively long range. But it has one fatal fault: its bolt/carrier (I am not good with gun parts) is capable of flying off and knocking out the user.

Now China has 2 new SMGs, the JS and a helical gun.
The JS is compact, but the main question for the JS is: how will it do on CQB when the enemy is around the corner on the right?

The JS is light, compact, nice barrel lenght, 9mm, integral silencer, firing from the closed and locked bolt for all mode should make the JS extremely accurate and controllable.
Overall it should be great for CQB. Nevertheles they need to find some way to eject empty casings downward, to fix the right side problem.

Anyway, I could very well be wrong. As it's very hard to judge how good the JS is because there are not enough information.

Nethappy said:

The JS is light, compact, nice barrel lenght, 9mm, integral silencer, firing from the closed and locked bolt for all mode should make the JS extremely accurate and controllable.
Overall it should be great for CQB. Nevertheles they need to find some way to eject empty casings downward, to fix the right side problem.

Anyway, I could very well be wrong. As it's very hard to judge how good the JS is because there are not enough information.

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I agree that construction looks good but cartridge ejection problems make it unsuitable for CQB… But I could be completely wrong because I draw these conclusions from weary limited sources…
Since my experience is limited on classical smgs( Uzi and mp5) I have some doubts about bulpup designs… One of them is changing the magazine; you can’t do it as fast like whit classical design…

Since my experience is limited on classical smgs( Uzi and mp5) I have some doubts about bulpup designs… One of them is changing the magazine; you can’t do it as fast like whit classical design…

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Well, I had experience in firing both the bullpup and classical rifle, there it maybe a bit of different between rifle and SMG. Nevertheless, from experience i gain from the rifle it just take some time to get use to, once your use to it you can change the magazine just as fast.

Yea, ejecting cases downward can be a good idea. (Having the ability to change the port to the left wouldn't help right? There's not going to be that time during a battle.) Now you just need to think of the placement for the ejection port.

As for reloading time, I'd think the Nethappy is right. What makes bullpups longer to reload? If it is because you have to stick the magazine farther in through the stock, well, wouldn't the Uzi take even more time?

sumdud said:

As for reloading time, I'd think the Nethappy is right. What makes bullpups longer to reload? If it is because you have to stick the magazine farther in through the stock, well, wouldn't the Uzi take even more time?

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Well whit Uzi or mp5 I joust drop used magazine and insert other, without even lowering gun and eyes and manage to do it in maybe second and a half depending on a gun…
Now because weary compact design of JS magazine would be almost at my shoulder and I joust can see how I would manage to do it in such short time and without some distraction… I CQB that time and distraction can cost you life… Again I joust stating my doubts and I could be completely wrong because my limited experience …

Well whit Uzi or mp5 I joust drop used magazine and insert other, without even lowering gun and eyes and manage to do it in maybe second and a half depending on a gun…
Now because weary compact design of JS magazine would be almost at my shoulder and I joust can see how I would manage to do it in such short time and without some distraction… I CQB that time and distraction can cost you life… Again I joust stating my doubts and I could be completely wrong because my limited experience …

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Well with JS is the same as most mp5 and Uzi just have to drop the used magazine and insert another but you just have to move the magazine hand in a bit more. With enough practice it could be done at the same speed, and in term of uzi possibly with less distaction. As you push the magazine deep up the pistol grip it would most likely some kind of distaction.

Therefore the only main problem i see with the JS at the moment is the ejection of the casting during a right corner engagement, which have to be resolve before it can be operational.

Nethappy said:

Well with JS is the same as most mp5 and Uzi just have to drop the used magazine and insert another but you just have to move the magazine hand in a bit more. With enough practice it could be done at the same speed, and in term of uzi possibly with less distaction. As you push the magazine deep up the pistol grip it would most likely some kind of distaction.

Therefore the only main problem i see with the JS at the moment is the ejection of the casting during a right corner engagement, which have to be resolve before it can be operational.

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Nethappy since you have experience whit both design I can only agree whit your opinion… Since I really have no experience whit bulpups I have joust express my doubts… I like bulpup assault rifles but I joust don’t like bulpup smg…

Well one question that i want to ask is, other than cost, what benefitial does the bullpup design in smg does it bring. I mean, most smg have effective range under 250m.

Well perhaps the same benefits as it brings to rifle caliber weapons
...longer barrel, better accuracy and range...