The Chinese in WW2 (Pic thread)

[darth sidious]

Kampfwagen

the first sino-jap war started in 1894 over korea the japanese lunched a surpise attack( like peral habour and Ruso-Japo war) and defeated the chinese fleet beacause the naval fund to buy warships was insted used to built the dogger empress's palace

it is during this time that the japanese stole taiwan from china


as for the P-40 it is the weakest allied aircaft at the time even the russian prefer the P-39

 

[Kampfwagen]

(sorry to double post, but this is a pic post. Thank you Sidous for the pics!)

The Broomhandle Mauser 'Carbine'. Typicaly, these pistols were called Carbines, although not the correct terminologiy. Usualy these were made for Artillerly crews/commanders because they normaly couldint use full-sized rifles. They also made a 'Carbine' version of the PO8/P38 Luger. Many were used by the Chinese during WW2 as they were in surplus from WW1.

Another bit of surplus. These are Amphibious British Tanks (I beleve these are called Vickers tanks, but this is only from my rather fuzzy memory.) used by the Nationalists. (Fixed the Link)

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I only show the link because the picture is EXTREMELY GRAPHIC. Although I realize most of us are big-boys, it might still upset some people. So for the sake of politeness it's just a link to the picture. Again, EXTREMELY GRAPHIC.

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Japanese Executing a Chinese Solider and Civilian while a crowd watches. Nanjiang.

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An illustration depecting the inhumanity of the Nanjiang Massacre.

 

[darth sidious]

link dont work

the broomhandle was issued to all chinese troops not just Artillerly crews/commanders as there is a shortage of fire arms and these pistol
are powerful enough to be used as Carbines

many copies were also made in china

and yes the tanks are called vickers commerical

the Nanjiang Massacre demonstrates the true nature of the jap army and their intention toward china

 

[sumdud]

I find the Zero more daunting.
Both the Me109 are underarmored and climbs fast. But while even the French had a more manuverable plane than the Me109s. (A hard plane to fly if you aren't an ace) But as for the Zero, there was about no plane that was more manuverable than it.
The P-40s were flew by the Americans as a part of RoCAF in the Flying Tigers.
They were victorious by cannibalizing parts and shot the Zeros from above.
There was practically no other way to shoot a zero from a P-40.

How did you shoot a broomhandle carbine? There seems to be nearly no way of holding the handle and shooting it.

To Kampfwagen, I edited out your pictures because they are too violent and will cause unwanted comments.

To the others, STOP POSTING RACIST AND HATEFUL COMMENTS OR YOU WILL BE BROUGHT OUT FOR CHRISTMAS!!!

 

[darth sidious]

SUMDUD care too tell us witch french aircraft is better then the BF-109?


the flying tigers never encountered ANY zeros they were infact oscars of the Jap army

Zero has MANY weakness

1 it is the most underarmoured plane of the war the BF-109 can take a hit or the zero cant

2 underarmed the machine guns dont do sh*t and cannon has too few shots and shoots too slow

3 not agile at high speed as speed the combat flaps has greater resistance cant roll as quick

4 hard too contral in a dive beacause of structeral reasons


as for the broomhandle socket too sholder eve on sight it is a very large pistol so it can double as a carbin


Kampfwagen's pics reflected what the japs did you can not hide from the truth

:nono: stop glorfying japan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:nono:

they also have a habit of burying people in pits alive

even today old kmt soliders refuse to buy jap goods cause they hate them so much!!!!!

 

[sumdud]

And if someone found this place and saw the ugliness?
Some will get sick and sad in the wrong way.
I know us members can handle the pictures, but we are not the only people seeing this thread. So I will not allow such pictures to be viewed openly. I will allow the link.
END OF QUESTION.

As for the French craft that has better manuverability, it's the Dewoitine D.520

The Dewoitine D.520 was slower than the Messerschmitt Bf.109E but clearly superior in maneuverability

from www. kotfsc.com (Sorry, no direct link, it's one of those links that are.... don't know how to explain. But it's easy to find the page.)

As for the Zeros.
The Me109 had the same problems.
2MG+2 cannons with 60 shots per gun. (Yea, bettwe off without.)
Neither could do crab at high speeds.
To get out of a dive, you must get your flaps on.
(And that's exactly what the P-40s took advantage of, shot them from high up.)

And PS, where was I glorifying Japan? Now stop this glorifying issue or you are out for Christmas. We are a professional and unbiased military forum. We do not state any slanted opinion that do not cover the majority but only facts.

 

[Red Guard]

i said major resistence of the GMD army stopped after 1938. i didn't say they stopped fighting after 1938. after 1938, most of the cities in china were lost, and it came to the people's warfare. the people's warfare were fought by both communist and GMD forces. there were gurrelia forces organized by GMD as well. and to my knowledge. the japanese only occupied points as citys in china and lines as roads and railways in china. the rest plain land were filled with chinese resistence force. there is no way they could defeat us. after 1938, the over all war is just like that. its very hard for the japanese to push in one more step to the mountains. so the GMD and communists waited. they both getting strong at the time and just waited for the defeat of japanese.
i didn't say the GMD didn't fight with japanese after 1938. they both did, in their own way. after all, the defeat of japanese, isn't just a success for the soviets and americans. it's a defeat and great success for the over all chinese people.

and about 38 rifle. i asked a couple of friends, they told me the only force could be possibly issued with those is the army of shan xi warlords. the Jin Shui army. their military factories copied the 38 rifles before the war, but we didn't know if they ever issued those to the troop. but i could ensure you, the like...80% of chinese rifles are linked to masuers, not only M1888, there are lots of every kind of masuers. and during war, GMD forces were given US springfield rifle, forgot the name.

 

[darth sidious]

i said major resistence of the GMD army stopped after 1938. i didn't say they stopped fighting after 1938. after 1938, most of the cities in china were lost, and it came to the people's warfare. the people's warfare were fought by both communist and GMD forces. there were gurrelia forces organized by GMD as well. and to my knowledge. the japanese only occupied points as citys in china and lines as roads and railways in china. the rest plain land were filled with chinese resistence force. there is no way they could defeat us. after 1938, the over all war is just like that. its very hard for the japanese to push in one more step to the mountains. so the GMD and communists waited. they both getting strong at the time and just waited for the defeat of japanese.
i didn't say the GMD didn't fight with japanese after 1938. they both did, in their own way. after all, the defeat of japanese, isn't just a success for the soviets and americans. it's a defeat and great success for the over all chinese people.

and about 38 rifle. i asked a couple of friends, they told me the only force could be possibly issued with those is the army of shan xi warlords. the Jin Shui army. their military factories copied the 38 rifles before the war, but we didn't know if they ever issued those to the troop. but i could ensure you, the like...80% of chinese rifles are linked to masuers, not only M1888, there are lots of every kind of masuers. and during war, GMD forces were given US springfield rifle, forgot the name.

yes there was no way the japs can win after 1938 there are sinking in a ocean already

but on the 38 rifle the warlord army of the northeast most definlate had then beacause thoousands were made in the manchurian factory

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the Guandon warlord army also had them after a large batch was supplied by the japanese in a fialed coup attempt

long march surivour also spoke of the use of that gun during the march in witch case the only possible source is the KMT army

north western army also used them in revoult aginst chaing

most masuers are m1888 beacause of the bullet problem


SUMDUD

the D.520 is 60km slower then the Bf-109 it also can not perform negative-g
maneuver beacause of the fuel supply system

the E-3 has 3*MGFF cannon not 2 plus two 7.92MG 17 machinegun much better then the zero they also have more amno


yes the D.520 is more maneuverable but in the western front speed mattered more

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[sumdud]

Dude, all I was talking about was manuverbility.
As for the E-3, I don't know, but my simulator had only 2 cannons.
And the cannon shells tend to fragment upon impact on the skin of the aircraft, not inside, so it didn't exactly matter either.
I think the same applies to the Zero's cannons.

The Japanese were having trouble out at sea? Who was halting them? No way they could've conducted Pearl Harbor if halted. Remember, it's only 1938.
But I sadly don't know about Chinese involvement in the war though.
The history books down here barely mentioned the Pacific Theater.

But as for the Japanese field of occupation, many people would apparently overestimate it according to history books in my school and according to what you guys have just said.
There were many little ports that were occupied that could only be left by sea. You can't travel on train from Guangzhou to Shanghai apparently.

 

[darth sidious]

the cannon on the BF-109 and Zero are all the same copies of olinkens

the third on is located in the prop hub fireing through the engine
your simulator mostly likely have the E-4 ( famous one with the yellow nose)


for the ocean I was refering the fact that were stuck in china bound to lose like sinking in a ocean

as for chinese involvement they tide down thousands of troops that could have been used else where

the battle of chiansha is the greatest chinese victory ocured in 1942 killed 50000 japanese

later on the KMT army become weaker