Tajikistan decides China,Russia,Pakistan over NATO
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PiSigma
"the engineer"
how can you just assume USA can use pakistani airspace, for them to use it, they NEED approval from the pakistani government. and if there's going to be nato activity in china and russia's backyard, you can be sure they are going to pressure pakistan to close their airspace to nato aid to Tajik. china and pakistan have been very close allies for a long time, so don't think pakistan is going to go and piss off china just to make nato happy and fly over them.
also nato and US are separate entities. just because US can use the airspace (now), doesn't mean all other nations can use it.
also nato and US are separate entities. just because US can use the airspace (now), doesn't mean all other nations can use it.
Dude US needs no permission to enter Pakistan's air space or to bomb the the targets they think hostile. What do you think Pakistan hasn't pissed off China yet by giving "Shahbaz Air Base" of "Jacob Abad" in Balochistan province? And coalition activity is going in China's and Russia's vbackyard that is Afghanistan. If you see the map of Afghanistan, Pakistan and China, you will know the geographical and strategic importance of the region.PiSigma said:
PiSigma
"the engineer"
zeeair said:
i know exactly where afghanistan is. and i know the geographical importance of it. remember that afghan war also have china's backing since it's due to 9/11.
perhaps you should re-phrase "What do you think Pakistan hasn't pissed off China yet by giving "Shahbaz Air Base" of "Jacob Abad" in Balochistan province?", this sentence does not make any sense.
EVERY nations need permission to enter another nation's airspace. certain nations might have treaties that allow civilian and/or military aircrafts to fly over it without earlier notifications, but air space is considered national territory, which means just because pakistan allows US to fly over it now, doesn't mean they won't take that right away if some other power such as china pressure them to do so.
Most Nations have Honor and Dignity and some do not. And in the case of Pakistan I don't know about the people but for sure the rulers, they lost it somewhat 50 years ago. And I don't think Pakistan has any self respect to oppose USA and Nato. Since Bill Clinton Usa is voilating the air space of PK? Does USA warned and asked PK in 1998 when they bombed Afghanistan with Tomohawks?
FreeAsia2000
Junior Member
The Indians are placing a valueable fighter group away from their air defence, away from supporting aircraft, away from resupply, basically this is a dumb move unless they are going to establish major base facilities there like the US has in Japan and arm the Tajikistanis with SAMs, AAA, and possibly a better air force to make it a viable threat to Pakistan. Otherwise they are just weakening their defensive capabilities to defend India itself. The Mig-29 is not a strike plane. They will not need to intercept Pakistani strikes or establish air superiorty over Tajikistan. It might make sense if they moved bombers into tajikistan to threaten Pakistan with air strikes from two directions, but that is the opposite of what the Mig-29 does. Basically they are moving valueable planes away from the battle zone and into an area where they can be hit by the Pakistanis much eaisier.
Finn watch you use of lanuage when refering to countries or anyone. No insults please bd popeye..moderator
Finn watch you use of lanuage when refering to countries or anyone. No insults please bd popeye..moderator
Isn't there a conflict of interests here. I mean the first news report stated the Tajik inclination towards Russia, China and Pakistan. Now there is a report suggesting that india is gonna have an airbase there.
Truely, the Tajiks cannot hope for any sort of military assistance from the Pakistanis when they learn of the indian airbase there.
On another note, i would rather see a joint Sino-Pak involvement in the Central Asian region. A concerted and cohersive courting of these states into allowing investments to flow into the region from China and Pakistan. It would have a major impact on the American presence in Afghanistan. And also, the would provide a more intimate interaction with the Afghans.
The developmental efforts by all three .... Russia, China and Pakistan, would counter balance the instability that has plauged the region so far. As well as, off-set any efforts by the US to gain a foothold in Central Asia. The recent ousting of the American base from Central Asia, was an effort worth the strategic importance to both Russia and China.
If only there could be an influx of economic developments, courtesy of China!
Truely, the Tajiks cannot hope for any sort of military assistance from the Pakistanis when they learn of the indian airbase there.
On another note, i would rather see a joint Sino-Pak involvement in the Central Asian region. A concerted and cohersive courting of these states into allowing investments to flow into the region from China and Pakistan. It would have a major impact on the American presence in Afghanistan. And also, the would provide a more intimate interaction with the Afghans.
The developmental efforts by all three .... Russia, China and Pakistan, would counter balance the instability that has plauged the region so far. As well as, off-set any efforts by the US to gain a foothold in Central Asia. The recent ousting of the American base from Central Asia, was an effort worth the strategic importance to both Russia and China.
If only there could be an influx of economic developments, courtesy of China!
FreeAsia2000
Junior Member
Dizasta76 said:
Well Dizasta not really...the Tajik regime is facing a mass opposition movement to it's rule..therefore it tried to placate the opposition by making an announcement regarding Pakistan because it knows how Pakistan is going to respond and also how the majority of the population is going to see their being dragged into an outside conflict...vain hope.
Really though something like this is not going to worry Pakistan because first of all Pakistani public links with Tajikistan are increasing on a cultural level. Pakistan's going to see this more as an attempt by the Tajik's to counterbalance Chinese and Russian military power. The odds of this base being used in a war against Pakistan, and if it ever became a threat to Pakistan
well...lets just say Pakistan has sufficient supporters in Tajikistan
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