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Nutrient

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supersnoop said:
[The M109 howitzer] could “shoot and scoot” still to avoid counter battery fire by moving to another predetermined location.
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I'm no military expert, but I can do some elementary arithmetic. I don't see how the M109 could fire many times before it gets hammered.

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, the M109's firing range is 21 to 30 km. The vehicle's maximum speed is 56 km/hr.

The PLA has many different kinds of drones (over 1500 different models). I pick one almost at random, the
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, with a payload of 10 kg and speed of 500 km/hr.

Let's say the M109's first target is at maximum range, 30 km. A Thunderbird launched from beyond that range, say from 31 km -- and therefore guaranteed not to be damaged by the gun -- can reach the howitzer's firing position in 3.7 minutes. At the SPG's maximum speed of 56 km/hr, the gun could scoot 3.5 km in those 3.7 minutes, which is not very far. The drone should find the moving gun quite easily; locating the gun would be even easier if the PLA sent several drones (why not, they're cheap).

Once a drone locates the gun and follows it, sending real-time position information to the PLA, how long do you think the M109 will last?
 
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TC-2C
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serial production.
Interestingly, they've added a second recessed missile to the fighter.
I.e. it is probably going to remain both in offensive and defensive counter air configurations.
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I'm pretty sure the F-CK-1 has had two recessed missile stations on the centerline fuselage for quite a while now, since the F-CK-1C/D variant increased the number of TC-2 compatible stations from 2 to 4, in the mid/late 2000s.
In fact, I'm not even sure if the original F-CK-1A/B variant primarily mounted TC-2s on the centreline or not. I've seen some indication that the original A/Bs might have actually mounted TC-2s primarily on the centreline, and it was only on the C/D variant that enabled the wing stations to carry TC-2s.

Either way, it's not a new addition.
 
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Nutrient said:
I'm no military expert, but I can do some elementary arithmetic. I don't see how the M109 could fire many times before it gets hammered.

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, the M109's firing range is 21 to 30 km. The vehicle's maximum speed is 56 km/hr.

The PLA has many different kinds of drones (over 1500 different models). I pick one almost at random, the
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, with a payload of 10 kg and speed of 500 km/hr.

Let's say the M109's first target is at maximum range, 30 km. A Thunderbird launched from beyond that range, say from 31 km -- and therefore guaranteed not to be damaged by the gun -- can reach the howitzer's firing position in 3.7 minutes. At the SPG's maximum speed of 56 km/hr, the gun could scoot 3.5 km in those 3.7 minutes, which is not very far. The drone should find the moving gun quite easily; locating the gun would be even easier if the PLA sent several drones (why not, they're cheap).

Once a drone locates the gun and follows it, sending real-time position information to the PLA, how long do you think the M109 will last?
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They were referring to counter-battery fire, so it would be more about reducing susceptibility to enemy artillery fire at similar or greater distances, especially when the enemy also posses a counter-battery radar (such as the 1L219 radar complex).

It would be somewhat less useful, but useful nonetheless, if the enemy artillery was to have targeting assisted by the use of unarmed UAVs (very common today, probably).

And if it was indeed an armed drone planning to do the job itself, then assuming it gets close enough (to launch its missiles) without getting shot down by SHORADS, the M109 crew would do best to start running
 
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Gloire_bb said:
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TC-2C
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serial production.
Interestingly, they've added a second recessed missile to the fighter.
I.e. it is probably going to remain both in offensive and defensive counter air configurations.
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beautiful shot, i wonder how this fighter stacks up against FC-1, it is a bit older but had American parts and assistance, also twin engine.
 
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Bltizo said:
In fact, I'm not even sure if the original F-CK-1A/B variant primarily mounted TC-2s on the centreline or not. I've seen some indication that the original A/Bs might have actually mounted TC-2s primarily on the centreline, and it was only on the C/D variant that enabled the wing stations to carry TC-2s.
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As far as I understand - A/B carried up to 3.

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beautiful shot, i wonder how this fighter stacks up against FC-1, it is a bit older but had American parts and assistance, also twin engine.
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More or less equal probably?
 
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drowingfish said:
beautiful shot, i wonder how this fighter stacks up against FC-1, it is a bit older but had American parts and assistance, also twin engine.
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Thrust to weight is not in its favor, nor is the radar range, which supposedly is only 60 KM lookup for detection. It is serviceable as a pint defense fighter and very advanced when it came out in the late 80s and for a long time the mainland didn’t have anything that matches it in performance.
 
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FishWings said:
And if it was indeed an armed drone planning to do the job itself, then assuming it gets close enough (to launch its missiles) without getting shot down by SHORADS, the M109 crew would do best to start running
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SHORADS will be far too busy with the PLA's massive missile salvos -- multiple salvos -- to bother with a drone. In fact, the SHORADS' top concern will be their own survival against the salvos.

And as I said, the PLA could send several drones against each M109 (why not, a drone is far, far cheaper than a M109; the PLA should have hundreds of thousands -- maybe millions -- of drones). I do not predict a long career for an M109.
 
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