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Using Taiwan as chess piece again to put pressure on China to talk. How despicable to keep playing the Taiwan card. It's about time China got a similar card to play.
This just showed how one should never trust US regime. Because despite signing on a number if occasion that U.S. inly recognise there is only one China, and that one China includes Taiwan.
Then they go and poke China in the eye just because they are not getting their wish for China to buy their junk treasuries.
Desperation and hypocrisy all in one.
What da fuck are Paladins going to do in a Taiwan scenario?
I doubt the M109s, converted or otherwise can get fueled, basic combat load and roll out of the motorpool before getting slammed by whatever long range munition PLA has.
That's $750m down the drain and not being used to buy more expedient weapons/munitions. It's almost like they are doing China a favor.
Yes it's complete crap. The M109 don't make sense miĺitarily. It's pure political posturing and theatre. It's sending a message to China and the world at large by using Taiwan.
It's like saying we don't recognise Taiwan as part of China. It's a card they have and well keep on playing. Because China don't have an equivalent card to play against U.S.
No, SP howitzers make perfect sense militarily for Taiwan.
And no, dismissing them as crap won't help.
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CN has some cards but unwilling/scared or not ready to play. US has lot of adversaries in need of weapons....
I don't agree. They could buy air defense systems, coastal ASMs, fighter jets for that. An SPG would disrupt a landing at best before getting blown up. If China is landing, it means Taiwan lost the air a few days ago.
SPG is useful before the landing, during the attempt to contain/destroy the beachhead(s), and in follow-up fighting afterward. If everything went that far, and they're still somehow around - howitzers are useful in ambushes and/or in city fights in a direct fire role.
SPGs, among other long-ranged assets, ensure the utility of minefields. Unlike many others - SPGs won't really be countered by EW and AA umbrella, and can be annoying even through smokescreens; the only means of silencing them is suppression/destruction. Which they're designed to evade.
SPG, as the most survivable form of heavy artillery, are a pain in the (***) just because they exist somewhere: they're one of the factors informing deployment points(how far out in the sea are they). You don't want to float your landing craft/amphibs and form attack waves under sustained fire. The longer attackers are in the sea, the worse, but it has to be this way.
SPG can engage landing craft when they're performing their landing runs - full of dismounts and unable to fight back - and when it'll be especially hard to counter them(least amount of available fire, highest need of suppression). Guided projectiles make them particularly nasty.
SPG can attack marines after landing, when they're at their most vulnerable. At this point, Defender still enjoys fire superiority over 122mm amphibious howitzers of first waves - and, arguably, at the last moment when defender actually has a chance to contain the landing.
SPG will simply perform normal high-intensity land combat afterward. They're still annoying to counter, and the land army absolutely can't fight without artillery support.
Yes, guns will be suffering losses, probably quite fast, at all stages. It's kinda normal for them, as it was for many centuries.
ASMs, air defense systems, and coastal ASMs perform completely different roles.
All in all: no, this is a serious purchase with serious implications. And it has to be taken as such.
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I can see your reasoning but I don't agree. Taiwan doesn't have a high-end defense industry and its economic size is around 4% of China's. It should be learning from Iran instead and focus on asymmetric capabilities. Buying export grade American hardware won't do any good for it. It is very likely that we will watch another Azerbaijan-Armenia or Turkey-Syria if Taiwan keeps its spending this way.
What about:
24/7 drone surveillance / coverage
Loitering munitions and armed drones
Counter-battery radar
Satellites
PLAGF artillery (even based on mainland)
PLARF
PLAAF have air superiority
Taiwan’s terrain that isn’t the best for large, heavy vehicles (plus the various crucial nexus/choke points).
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Keeping the air and sea contested for as long as possible would be the best option for them. These SPG’s will get 1-2 shots off at best (the ones that actually manage to shoot before destruction).