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according to DefenseNews Giving up on Abrams tank acquisition, Taiwan moves to upgrade its M60A3 tanks
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Taiwan appears to have conceded defeat in its quest to acquire surplus M1 Abrams tanks from the United States, with local media reporting that the East Asian country will now look at ways to locally upgrade the M60A3 main battle tanks it has in service.

According to the United Daily News newspaper, Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense will allocate approximately $6.57 million dollars to the state-owned National Chung-Shan Institute of Science and Technology, or NCSIST, to develop an upgrade program for the approximately 450 M60A3 TTS tanks operated by Taiwan’s Army.

The program, scheduled to begin in 2018, will look at replacing the main gun from the 105mm M68 to a new 120mm weapon, as well as upgrading the ballistics computer, turret hydraulics and other systems.

The Army will loan two M60A3s to the NCSIST to serve as prototypes for the upgrades, with testing and evaluation expected to be completed in 2019 and the main upgrade program expected to start in 2020.

Other than the M60A3 TTS, Taiwan also has approximately 400 CM-11 Brave Tiger tanks developed by General Dynamics and the Army’s Armored Vehicle Development Center. The CM-11 is a hybrid M60 chassis fitted with the turret from the older M48 Patton and the fire control system of the M1 Abrams.

The newspaper reported that Taiwan has opted to upgrade the M60A3 ahead of the CM-11 due to the former’s larger turret and better upgrade potential; although it also said there are plans to upgrade the CM-11 fleet following the M60A3 upgrade.

The decision to locally upgrade Taiwan’s M60A3s — despite the availability of upgrade options from overseas companies such as Raytheon or IMI Systems (formerly Israel Military Industries) — is likely driven in part by the stated policy of President Tsai Ing-wen’s administration, which calls for greater local participation by the local defense industry in military programs.

As evidenced by its inability to secure surplus M1 Abrams, Taiwan has faced significant hurdles in trying to acquire advanced, big-ticket military equipment, with potential suppliers wary of incurring China’s wrath. China sees Taiwan as a breakaway province and has frequently used economic and diplomatic means to prevent arms sales to Taiwan.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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according to DefenseNews Giving up on Abrams tank acquisition, Taiwan moves to upgrade its M60A3 tanks
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I was kinda expecting this. Although Abrams is a great MBT Taiwan just doesn't seem to be the right environment for it. It's to heavy, its primary threat vs the logistic needs don't seem to match. Taiwan I feel is better suited to a medium weight tank. Something between the BAE CV90 120 T and theJapanese type 10 MBT.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
I was kinda expecting this. Although Abrams is a great MBT Taiwan just doesn't seem to be the right environment for it. It's to heavy, its primary threat vs the logistic needs don't seem to match. Taiwan I feel is better suited to a medium weight tank. Something between the BAE CV90 120 T and theJapanese type 10 MBT.
I think because Taiwan wants to modernize their tank forces(both hardware and software) regardless how heavy it may be for the local environment.
 

delft

Brigadier
I understand that, but simply having a new MBT would do little good if said MBT cannot be used efficiently across the Islands.
But there wont be a war on the island of Taiwan anyway. The unbalance of forces is too extremely in favour of China. So this only concerns "industrial policy", also known as corruption.
 

druid198405

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Living in Taiwan I can tell you it's a horrible place for tanks, muddy fields, dense urban environments and little to no open spaces, I never liked Taiwan trying to buy the Abrams. I doubt Israel or anyone else would think of selling upgrades to Taiwan for fear of upsetting China, so I don't see anything wrong with upgrading it locally. @TerraN_EmpirE , I've always thought the same thing, a modern IFV with a 120mm gun would be more suited to Taiwan's environment, and probably half the weight of an Abrams.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
I understand that, but simply having a new MBT would do little good if said MBT cannot be used efficiently across the Islands.

It’s probably more a moral thing.

Taiwan is having enough of a crisis with troop moral and retainment that having tanks that are literally museum pieces can’t be doing anything good for their troops.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Living in Taiwan I can tell you it's a horrible place for tanks, muddy fields, dense urban environments and little to no open spaces, I never liked Taiwan trying to buy the Abrams. I doubt Israel or anyone else would think of selling upgrades to Taiwan for fear of upsetting China, so I don't see anything wrong with upgrading it locally. @TerraN_EmpirE , I've always thought the same thing, a modern IFV with a 120mm gun would be more suited to Taiwan's environment, and probably half the weight of an Abrams.

It would be perfect for the PLA’s new light tank, especially against M60s as even their 105s should be able to easily penetrate the M60’s frontal armour.
 

FORBIN

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Yet above reported for talking about war, flame blait :mad:

I was kinda expecting this. Although Abrams is a great MBT Taiwan just doesn't seem to be the right environment for it. It's to heavy, its primary threat vs the logistic needs don't seem to match. Taiwan I feel is better suited to a medium weight tank. Something between the BAE CV90 120 T and theJapanese type 10 MBT.

Living in Taiwan I can tell you it's a horrible place for tanks, muddy fields, dense urban environments and little to no open spaces, I never liked Taiwan trying to buy the Abrams. I doubt Israel or anyone else would think of selling upgrades to Taiwan for fear of upsetting China, so I don't see anything wrong with upgrading it locally. @TerraN_EmpirE , I've always thought the same thing, a modern IFV with a 120mm gun would be more suited to Taiwan's environment, and probably half the weight of an Abrams.

Possible but if you see the reality several mountainous countries have heavy tanks : Norway, Austria, Switzerland, Chili some number ...

In more Norway had before Léopard 1 and have changed same for Switzerland a medium tanks for new Léopard 2

And quite sure a M1A2 want clealy more than a M60A3 modernized.

For a time agree with Equation LOL
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
Yet above reported for talking about war, flame blait :mad:





Possible but if you see the reality several mountainous countries have heavy tanks : Norway, Austria, Switzerland, Chili some number ...

In more Norway had before Léopard 1 and have changed same for Switzerland a medium tanks for new Léopard 2

And quite sure a M1A2 want clealy more than a M60A3 modernized.

For a time agree with Equation LOL
The difference between the European mountainous countries and Chili's landscape vs Taiwan is they are all dry. Taiwan is hot and humid with swampy (rice paddy) lands. Heavier tanks like M1 will for sure get trapped in the mud.
 
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