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Mr T

Senior Member
the case will depend on president Trump and the congress. Trump seems like he would be happy to sell sell sell. Congress is more than happy to debate debate debate.

To my knowledge, Congress has never vetoed an arms sale to Taiwan. In case you weren't aware, they have a right to block sales - they don't need to actively approve sales like these ones to Taiwan.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
China will always issue a pro forma objection, even if it's just a sale of spare ammunition for the honor guard.

The key thing to watch is, what will China do (for example, if the recent Sinopec oil embargo against the Norks gets lifted, then we know Beijing is really mad).

I doubt that the $1.4 billion sale crosses any redlines though (that's reserved for items like new fighter jets and the like).
 
now I read
Any attempt to split Taiwan from China will be in vain: spokesperson
Xinhua| 2017-07-12 20:46:02
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mainland spokesperson on Wednesday said that any attempt to change the fact that Taiwan is part of China will be in vain.

Ma Xiaoguang, spokesperson for the State Council Taiwan Affairs Office, made the remarks following reports that the Cairo Declaration will no longer be part of the curriculum in Taiwan's high schools, and official websites have already removed related content.

The Cairo Declaration clearly stipulated that Chinese territory taken by
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, such as Manchuria, Taiwan and the Penghu Islands, should be returned to China.

The Potsdam Proclamation, signed by China, the
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and Britain (later acceded to by the Soviet Union), stipulated that "the terms of the Cairo Declaration shall be carried out." It was the international legal ground for Japan to surrender, Ma said.

Ma reiterated that there is only one China and Taiwan is an integral part of China, which is a legal basis recognized by the international community.
 
according to USNI News
Panel: Beijing Keeps Increasing Pressure on Taiwan to Join Mainland
Beijing has ramped up diplomatic, economic and military pressure on Taipei to accept its “One China” point of view and it is driving the United States to better define what that means in Washington, experts on cross-straits relations said Thursday.

Speaking at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington, D.C., think tank, Zhao Suisheng, a professor at the University of Denver, said in answer to a question that while peaceful unification still is official policy and mainstream thinking among the Chinese leadership and public, President Xi Jinping has in several recent speeches signaled that he wanted to see the matter resolved between 2021 and 2049, marking the centennials of the founding of the Communist Party and its successful revolution

The issue “has brought two strong leaders [Xi and Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen] to stalemate.” Tsai’s party, which also won control of Taiwan’s legislative branch, is identified with sovereignty, pitting Chinese nationalism against Taiwanese nationalism.

Zhao said since many in Tsai’s party are young and “cannot accept the One-China policy. She might think time is on her side” to achieve sovereignty. Later in answer to a question, he said Taiwan sees itself as a democracy and the young people on the island view mainland China as needing political reform.

But on the mainland, patience is wearing thin over the continued stalemate over unification, and many there see “increased economic integration has not created any political spillover.” This led to the imposition of tough economic sanctions and its arm-twisting of other nations to boycott the island’s products and further isolate Taiwan internationally, he added.

Increasingly, Chinese leaders “don’t see peaceful unification policy as succeeding” and that it is “better to fight early” to achieve it, despite the economic implications of such moves on Beijing, Zhao said. Their position is not to wait generations to reach the goal of a unified China.

What Rupert Hammond-Chambers, president of the U.S.-Taiwan Business Council, sees as growing in the United States is ambivalence to Taiwan and that “is not a policy” that is in the best interests of either in dealing with an assertive China.

What “One-China” means in Beijing is not the same thing as it means in Washington, and the United States needs to make that clear to the Chinese. Hammond-Chambers raised the question of what follows that: “Are we re-willing to re-partner with Taiwan on modernizing” its security forces as the United States did in the 1990s and not just supplying the island with more munitions.

On Taiwan’s part, Hammond-Chambers said it needs to dump Qatar and China and look to the United States for its energy needs, end its ban on pork imports from the United States and spell out its true needs and wants from the United States to better deter and defend itself against Chinese aggression.

“It takes two to tango” to promote stability in a relationship, Joanne Chang, a research fellow at Academia Sinica, said as the panel discussion was ending. Right now with sanctions in place, communications almost shut down and threats being raised from Beijing the relationship is either deadlocked or deteriorating. “The U.S. provides oxygen” to Taiwan as it did in the past to emerge as a democracy and survive after it was removed as representing China in the U.N. in 1971, she said in opening remarks. “The essence and elements are there” for a new constructive dialogue between Beijing and Taipei if China would approach it in the same way as it negotiates with North Korea. “There are different ways to say, ‘I love you'” other than applying sanctions and threatening force.

The views of China and Taiwan remain fundamentally different when it comes to cross-strait issues now, especially on unification, Ming-Hsien Wong, a professor at Tamkang University, said. Beijing sees them as internal while Taipei sees them as security. One answer to stability could come if “the U.S. [would] d widen and deepen [its] relations” with Taiwan “to keep its position in the Asia-Pacific” as a power, offsetting a rising China.
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Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Lu Kang's Regular Press Conference on July 17, 2017
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Q: On July 14, the House of Representatives of the US Congress passed the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2018 which asks the US Defense Secretary to look into the feasibility of reestablishing port calls between the US and Taiwanese navies. What is your comment?
A: The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2018 passed by the House of Representatives of the US Congress includes some negative contents, directing the Pentagon to submit a report to the Congress on the feasibility of reestablishing port calls between the US and Taiwanese navies. Relevant contents go against the one China policy of the US and the principles of the three joint communiques between China and the US and interfere in China's domestic affairs. China has lodged stern representations with the US side.
I must reiterate that it is China's consistent position to firmly oppose any official contacts and military exchanges between the US and Taiwan. We urge the US to fully recognize the gravity of the relevant clauses in the Act. The US should not allow the Act with the relevant clauses to become law, nor turn back the wheel of history lest it should harm the general interests of China-US relations.

I noticed through NavalToday:
China opposes US defense bill over Taiwan port visits option
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timepass

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Tuo Chiang-class stealth corvette, Republic of China (Taiwan) Navy.

The ROCN plans to build 12 of these patrol vessels in the coming years, as a possible defense against the ever growing People's Liberation Army Navy. The ship incorporates various stealth features to have a lower cross-section and avoid radar detection and is armed with a combination of anti ship missiles and torpedoes.

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kurutoga

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Tuo Chiang-class stealth corvette, Republic of China (Taiwan) Navy.

The ROCN plans to build 12 of these patrol vessels in the coming years, as a possible defense against the ever growing People's Liberation Army Navy. The ship incorporates various stealth features to have a lower cross-section and avoid radar detection and is armed with a combination of anti ship missiles and torpedoes.

It is like a larger type 022. Pretty cool
 
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