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Blackstone

Blackstone

Brigadier
PanAsian said:
LOL, the PRC should fund some enterprising mainlander to announce and provide "PRC Taiwan Province" stickers for any ROC passport holders who want them.
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Well, PRC kind of does what you described. Taiwan Province residents must use a special entry/exit ID card and not the ROC passport. That whole thing is weird because the vast majority of the world's nearly 200 nations follow the "One China" policy, including the US, so I don't understand how the ROC passport system works. Come to think of it, I had a ROC passport when I was a child, and my parents handed it over to the Feds when we became citizens. Odd setup, one China, but two passports.
 
Equation

Equation

Lieutenant General
TerraN_EmpirE said:
Passport stickers are hardly a international crisis, and if you want to you can ask to have the stamp done out of your passport book. Basically its all about symbolism. The PRC doesn't want anything other then its stated demands and will refuse those who do not comply. Well others question that demand.
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Well those "others" don't have a choice in the matter, since Taiwan province is NOT an official country. Would the US accept a passport from a Syrian refugee or traveler with a "free" Syrian flag on it?

TerraN_EmpirE said:
That assumes that the immigration policy allows for choice in the matter. In this case the PRC is cracking down on that choice as it increasingly entrenches its positions on Taiwan and Hong Kong liberties. Which in turn feed fears of farther entrenching and restrictions. Which in turn feeds the calls for protest which in turn embolden calls for increased entrenchment which.... Think I have Laid out the vicious cycle here.
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That cycle only comes from the mentality of those who are against the PRC and its system of government by trying to shaming it through media bullying and spinning to get whatever negative reaction to displace the legitimacy of that system. So far it's not working as plan as we can see the desperation attempt of all kinds being played out by the opposition group (any anti PRC).
 
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PanAsian

Major
Equation said:
Well those "others" don't have a choice in the matter, since Taiwan province is NOT an official country. Would the US accept a passport from a Syrian refugee or traveler with a "free" Syrian flag on it?

That cycle only comes from the mentality of those who are against the PRC and its system of government by trying to shaming it through media bullying and spinning to get whatever negative reaction to displace the legitimacy of that system. So far it's not working as plan as we can see the desperation attempt of all kinds being played out by the opposition group (any anti PRC).
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Most importantly almost all PRC or CCP haters have no proposal on how to do anything better other than that somehow everything will magically be better if the PRC or CCP have less power or is out of power.
 
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PanAsian

Major
It would be great if this marks a step to build a genuinely indigenous arms industry in Taiwan but it may just be cover to integrate a Taiwan arms industry more closely with the US' and/or Japan's.

Taiwan should be capable of building and sustaining industries for its own C4ISR, smart weapons, and basic platforms both manned and unmanned across all battlespaces.

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World|Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:24am EDT
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New Taiwan appointments spotlight China ties, homegrown defense aims

Taiwan's independence-leaning government on Friday named a foreign affairs official and a former fighter pilot to the top posts for China policy and defense, underscoring its intention to engage with China and build its own jets and submarines.

The appointment of Chang Hsiao-yueh, a 40-year foreign affairs officer, as chief of the ministerial-level Mainland Affairs Council, comes amid uproar in Taiwan over the forcible deportation of more than 40 of its nationals from Kenya to China.

China deems self-ruled Taiwan a renegade province to be taken back by force if necessary. Beijing is warily watching President-elect Tsai Ing-wen of the pro-independence Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), who will take power in mid-May after a landslide win in national elections in January.

Taiwan's relationship with China is "a tough challenge," said incoming Premier Lin Chuan, who announced the appointment. "The two sides have different opinions, contradictions. This requires a leader who has goodwill and can communicate."

Chang, 63, will be the second woman to lead the council, following Tsai, who was the first woman to hold the key post in the first half of the 2000s.

"National security has gone beyond the traditional definition of security," Tsai said in a speech. "The situation in international and cross-strait relations is also different from the past."

Ties between Taiwan and China improved rapidly after the China-friendly Ma Ying-jeou became Taiwan's president in 2008 and signed several landmark trade and business deals.

But China has looked on with suspicion since the DPP won the presidential and parliamentary elections in January.

Chang's foreign postings have included the United States, Britain, the Netherlands and Australia. She was Taiwan's ambassador to St Kitts and Nevis, one of fewer than two dozen small countries that officially recognize Taiwan.

Lin also named Feng Shih-kuan, a former military attache, to be defense minister.

After a career in the military, the 71-year-old headed Aerospace Industrial Development Corp (AIDC), Taiwan's state-backed aerospace manufacturer, which built its first homegrown jet fighters and supports its fleet of F-16s.

The DPP has championed an indigenous defense industry to achieve its twin aims of stronger weapons production and more economic growth. Taiwan's main arms supplier is the United States, which is obligated by U.S. law to support the island's defense needs.

Taiwan's military has been considering how to upgrade or replace its aging advanced jet trainers, but no funds have been budgeted yet. It allocated T$3 billion ($93 million) for four years from 2016 to launch a long-awaited program to build its own diesel-electric submarines.

(Reporting by J.R. Wu; Editing by Clarence Fernandez)
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MwRYum

MwRYum

Major
PanAsian said:
It would be great if this marks a step to build a genuinely indigenous arms industry in Taiwan but it may just be cover to integrate a Taiwan arms industry more closely with the US' and/or Japan's.

Taiwan should be capable of building and sustaining industries for its own C4ISR, smart weapons, and basic platforms both manned and unmanned across all battlespaces.

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Deeper integration with the US and Japan military-industrial complexes is the only realistic choice for Taiwan, perhaps faciliated under the TPP framework or other military alliance that the new Adminstration. To go genuinely homegrown Taiwan will have no choice but to adopt the North Korean model...and then Taiwan will toss away the last thing they've been so proud of: democracy.

PanAsian said:
Most importantly almost all PRC or CCP haters have no proposal on how to do anything better other than that somehow everything will magically be better if the PRC or CCP have less power or is out of power.
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Such stupidity is akin to what we heard about the US said for decades about Cuba will fall, and to add irony to insults is how Fidel Castro outlived all those Administration, and 1/3 of those POTUS...
 
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ohan_qwe

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I have a slightly political question about the Republic of China Armed Forces. If for the sake of argument a war starts between the PRC and ROC because of a matter that KMT disagree with e.g. DPP sign some treaty with Japan. Do the government have full control over the armed forces or are they loyal to the KMT? How is the moral of ROC in a war against the PRC when winning would be almost impossible? Will they fight like the Japanese invasion in WW2 or just think that it's pointless to spill to much blod just for democracy.

And is the Chinese Civil War formaly ended or would a invasion of Taiwan just be a part of the civil war juridical speaking?
 
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AndrewS

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The US view is that the Taiwanese military has been widely compromised by the PRC intelligence services, and this is why the US is leery of transferring technology to Taiwan.

That comes from a combination of low pay, the perceived futility? of the mission, the soldiers swearing allegiance to a constitution which states there is but One China, and the attitude of the senior ex-generals who support reunification and presumably promoted proteges with similar views.

Perhaps someone from Taiwan could comment on the military and the KMT.

The surveys on Taiwan show that hardline pro-independence and pro-unification groups are small minorities, with the vast majority of the population preferring the status quo. However, they would prefer independence if there wasn't any cost to it, so it means that they are resigned to living in the shadow of the PRC. Make what you will of that.

So I would expect the Taiwan military would fight, but if it came to the point where things really looked hopeless - there would be a capitulation like Japan in WW2 - particularly if China offered a generous package.

Seriously though, if Taiwan really values its independence, why does it only spend 1.9% of GDP on the military, whilst the PRC is at 2.1%? It's interesting to note that Singapore and South Korea spend way more at 3%+

Both the PRC and ROK subscribe to One China in their constitution, like the rest of the world. So they regard each other's territories as part of their nation - so technically it would be a continuation of the civil war.
 
MwRYum

MwRYum

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ohan_qwe said:
I have a slightly political question about the Republic of China Armed Forces. If for the sake of argument a war starts between the PRC and ROC because of a matter that KMT disagree with e.g. DPP sign some treaty with Japan. Do the government have full control over the armed forces or are they loyal to the KMT? How is the moral of ROC in a war against the PRC when winning would be almost impossible? Will they fight like the Japanese invasion in WW2 or just think that it's pointless to spill to much blod just for democracy.
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First of all that'd fall under the internal strife category and honestly, nobody knows which way it'd go, or to be more accurately, social order broke down enough to warrant the mobilization. By this time, the ROC military has very little to do with the KMT, so it'd be more have to do with what kind of executive orders being issued by the Tsai Administration, i.e. Rules of Engagement in order to quell the unrest, as well as the ROC military ability to enact it effectively.

Most sane person by now would already consign KMT is irrelevant as a political party, but whether it's invalid on other levels that couldn't put up a proper fight that's yet to be proven. Because the upcoming Tsai Administration is a majority government, there has been talks (not officially of course) flying around to rid KMT of its entirety.

ohan_qwe said:
And is the Chinese Civil War formaly ended or would a invasion of Taiwan just be a part of the civil war juridical speaking?
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The civil war still haven't ended officially, alas there's a informal and unofficial cease fire that has came into effect, and since there's no peace treaty whatsoever being signed, both side can get back at it in the next minute if so requires.

In short, the whole Chinese Civil War still has one final chapter yet to be played out, and invasion of Taiwan will be exactly that. The million dollar question is: who and what'd finally trigger the sequence of events that'd see it happen? In your above mentioned case, that'd fall under internal strife that cause a breakdown in social order across the Taiwan Island, which would give Beijing and PLA a very legit (domestic legal and international law wise) cause of action to "restore order".
 
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MwRYum said:
Deeper integration with the US and Japan military-industrial complexes is the only realistic choice for Taiwan, perhaps faciliated under the TPP framework or other military alliance that the new Adminstration. To go genuinely homegrown Taiwan will have no choice but to adopt the North Korean model...and then Taiwan will toss away the last thing they've been so proud of: democracy.
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Integrating with a foreign military industrial complex could very well trigger one of Beijing's Five Noes.
 
MwRYum

MwRYum

Major
Skywatcher said:
Integrating with a foreign military industrial complex could very well trigger one of Beijing's Five Noes.
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Since they've chosen to walk down the the separatist road anyway, then there's really no "good" option, that means Taiwan will trip the switch one way or the other within the next 4 years, everything else is merely technical details, result is guaranteed though. Thus, the sensible course of action is to pick one that can generate good results fast, and at a comparatively modest cost.
 
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