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Red___Sword · Apr 2, 2012

MwRYum said:
They still are, though there're plans to transit from conscripts making up the bulk of the fighting force, towards all-career professionals, but there're obstacles in implementing them.

Also, their current conscription scheme is too short and inefficient, with less than 2 years of service period, by the time a typical conscript finish its proper vocation training they're almost at the end of their term.

Accross the strait, PRC mainland employs 2.5 years of conscription system, and those college boys undergo some less than 2 months boy-scout-style of "military training" are legally considered as fulfiled their conscription duty. I think the point is that the conscripted masses despite which armed forces around the world, didn't differs that much one another. It is the masses of NCOs and professional military personnels that gives an armed force its true strength.

But yeah, I got your point, the professional amateur politicians of ROC didn't really boosts the NRA's strength when they throw out the full-career force proposals when they did, they did it just for their own career gains.

Franklin · Apr 3, 2012

One of the things that is hampering Taiwan's air force is not only their ability to get new aircrafts but also the fact that a lot of the AAM's that Taiwan bought are now more than a decade old and the humid climate on Taiwan has affected their sophisticated sensors on board. Recent test firings of these weapons like the AIM-120, MICA and the Magic's have shown that they are missing their target drones a lot. They may get new AIM-120's from America but i doubt they can get new MICA and Magic's from France. That fact plus the high costs of the maintenance of the Mirage 2000 fleet means that these planes are a huge burden on the ROCAF rather than a asset. The Mirage 2000's costs three times more to operate than the F-16's it means that the 56 Mirage 2000's in the ROCAF could cost more to operate than the 145 F-16's they got. And since the F-5's and the IDF are no match for China's newest planes like the J-10 and J-11's and their upgraded variants, that leaves the upgraded F-16's as their only credible air asset.

As for Taiwan's navy, the problem their is that their ships lack any serious air defence capabilities. The Knox and OHP class frigates are armed with box launched or Mk-13 launched SM-1 missile's and their La Fayette class frigates has to do with Sea Chaparral missile's that belongs in a museum. The only ships that has some credible air defence capabilities are the Kidd class destroyers with SM-2 missile's and Mk-26 launchers. Taiwan's navy has invested a lot of money in their ASW capabilities over the year's and those are quite capable but not much has invested in air defence. That is because in the past decades it was China's subs that are considered to be the main threat but with China's newly invigorated air force the main threat to their fleet may come from the sky.

Aero_Wing_32 · Apr 3, 2012

Well what is this about? Lobbyism? Anti european military post? You re neither belonging or even closed to Taiwan military officials nor getting closed to the Airforce audit agency... You re only reposting things claimed and edited by pro-US military interests. Numerous in Taiwan. If you ve some details about the conditions of MICA missiles or the Mirage fleet overall condition, please tell us. Give us clear evidences, figures, aso, that can lend credibility to your personal theory... Squadrons of Mirage 2000-5 fly high in the ROC skies, armed.

If you really want to modernize the ROCAF (I wish you could do it!

), send a letter to Mr Pr. of the USA, and ask him to respect the TRA.

Franklin said:
One of the things that is hampering Taiwan's air force is not only their ability to get new aircrafts but also the fact that a lot of the AAM's that Taiwan bought are now more than a decade old and the humid climate on Taiwan has affected their sophisticated sensors on board. Recent test firings of these weapons like the AIM-120, MICA and the Magic's have shown that they are missing their target drones a lot. They may get new AIM-120's from America but i doubt they can get new MICA and Magic's from France. That fact plus the high costs of the maintenance of the Mirage 2000 fleet means that these planes are a huge burden on the ROCAF rather than a asset. The Mirage 2000's costs three times more to operate than the F-16's it means that the 56 Mirage 2000's in the ROCAF could cost more to operate than the 145 F-16's they got. And since the F-5's and the IDF are no match for China's newest planes like the J-10 and J-11's and their upgraded variants, that leaves the upgraded F-16's as their only credible air asset.

As for Taiwan's navy, the problem their is that their ships lack any serious air defence capabilities. The Knox and OHP class frigates are armed with box launched or Mk-13 launched SM-1 missile's and their La Fayette class frigates has to do with Sea Chaparral missile's that belongs in a museum. The only ships that has some credible air defence capabilities are the Kidd class destroyers with SM-2 missile's and Mk-26 launchers. Taiwan's navy has invested a lot of money in their ASW capabilities over the year's and those are quite capable but not much has invested in air defence. That is because in the past decades it was China's subs that are considered to be the main threat but with China's newly invigorated air force the main threat to their fleet may come from the sky.

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One of the things that is hampering Taiwan's air force is not only their ability to get new aircrafts but also the fact that a lot of the AAM's that Taiwan bought are now more than a decade old and the humid climate on Taiwan has affected their sophisticated sensors on board. Recent test firings of these weapons like the AIM-120, MICA and the Magic's have shown that they are missing their target drones a lot. They may get new AIM-120's from America but i doubt they can get new MICA and Magic's from France. That fact plus the high costs of the maintenance of the Mirage 2000 fleet means that these planes are a huge burden on the ROCAF rather than a asset. The Mirage 2000's costs three times more to operate than the F-16's it means that the 56 Mirage 2000's in the ROCAF could cost more to operate than the 145 F-16's they got. And since the F-5's and the IDF are no match for China's newest planes like the J-10 and J-11's and their upgraded variants, that leaves the upgraded F-16's as their only credible air asset.

As for Taiwan's navy, the problem their is that their ships lack any serious air defence capabilities. The Knox and OHP class frigates are armed with box launched or Mk-13 launched SM-1 missile's and their La Fayette class frigates has to do with Sea Chaparral missile's that belongs in a museum. The only ships that has some credible air defence capabilities are the Kidd class destroyers with SM-2 missile's and Mk-26 launchers. Taiwan's navy has invested a lot of money in their ASW capabilities over the year's and those are quite capable but not much has invested in air defence. That is because in the past decades it was China's subs that are considered to be the main threat but with China's newly invigorated air force the main threat to their fleet may come from the sky.

Jeff Head · Apr 12, 2012

Franklin said:
The only ships that has some credible air defence capabilities are the Kidd class destroyers with SM-2 missile's and Mk-26 launchers. Taiwan's navy has invested a lot of money in their ASW capabilities over the year's and those are quite capable but not much has invested in air defence. That is because in the past decades it was China's subs that are considered to be the main threat but with China's newly invigorated air force the main threat to their fleet may come from the sky.

But those four Kidd Class DDGs are very potent combatants. With the NTU (New Threat Upgrade) and the cooperative engagement capabilities they possess, if a US Burke AEGIS class vessel were in the area and working with them, they would be a very potent force to deal with...and even without the AEGIS support they would be very, very strong.

They were considered the most potent air-defense DDGs in the US inventory until the AEGIS vessels were introduced and they have had significant upgrades since.

Problem is, on the sea, that is really all the ROCN has for area AAW coverage.

On land, their patriot and other AAW batteries are quite capable, and the Patriots have a long range.

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Franklin · Apr 12, 2012

Jeff Head said:
But those four Kidd Class DDGs are very potent combatants. With the NTU (New Threat Upgrade) and the cooperative engagement capabilities they possess, if a US Burke AEGIS class vessel were in the area and working with them, they would be a very potent force to deal with...and even without the AEGIS support they would be very, very strong.

They were considered the most potent air-defense DDGs in the US inventory until the AEGIS vessels were introduced and they have had significant upgrades since.

Problem is, on the sea, that is really all the ROCN has for area AAW coverage.

On land, their patriot and other AAW batteries are quite capable, and the Patriots have a long range.

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That is what i'm saying they are the only ships that can defend them selfs in times of war. The other ships that Taiwan have are very weak when it comes to their air defences. Unfortunely for Taiwan it means that only 4 out of their 26 ships is going to be able to give serious AAW coverage. That combined with the fact that China now has a fleet of more than 20 modern subs with Taiwan only having 2 dutch submarines that are now almost 25 year's old. It doesn't look like it's going to be a fair fight.

MwRYum · Apr 13, 2012

Franklin said:
That is what i'm saying they are the only ships that can defend them selfs in times of war. The other ships that Taiwan have are very weak when it comes to their air defences. Unfortunely for Taiwan it means that only 4 out of their 26 ships is going to be able to give serious AAW coverage. That combined with the fact that China now has a fleet of more than 20 modern subs with Taiwan only having 2 dutch submarines that are now almost 25 year's old. It doesn't look like it's going to be a fair fight.

Fight can never be fair, thought you should learn that by now.

And back to topic...the 4 Kidd DDGs Taiwan received, while formidable, it has been known that they spend most of the time at port, because ROCN try to save money in fuel (while branding such as "environmentally friendly" for lesser carbon emission), whereas PLAN exploited the Somalia anti-piracy expeditions extensively...more likely in terms of seamanship PLAN is closing the gap fast.

CottageLV · Apr 13, 2012

Today's world is no longer like when Brtis and Francs battled it out in North America, where two groups face off on a large plain, slowly and chivalrously walk towards their enemies with muskets. Today's confrontations all happen in 3D, where missiles, jets, submarines, and tanks makeup a total war. ROCN's four Kidd class ships stand no chance. I understand Jeff's idea of a modernized version. But doesn't matter how modernized it is, it still cannot even stand a wave of 20 ASM cruising towards it at Mach 3.

On top that, ROC Armed Forces don't even know what to do in the case of a real full out mobilization of the mainland counterpart. To this day, it is still called the National Army, a remnant of the old China. It's training, doctrines, and political teachings all trace back to "Big China" days. They are patriotic, might be Taiwan, might be Greater China as a whole. The societal view towards unification always fluctuate with time and political incidents. Armed means is not the only approach to eventual unification. It is much more sociopolitical than most of us would expect.

escobar · Apr 18, 2012

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U.S. Representative Randy Forbes (R-Va) published an article entitled “America’s Pacific Air-Sea Battle Vision” calling upon Congress to support the Pentagon’s vision for Air-Sea Battle—a concept designed to improve the joint and combined ability of air and naval forces to project power in the face of anti-access and area denial challenges. More specifically, Representative Forbes pointed out that the United States should “work to bring our allies into this effort.” Indeed, in order for the United States to effectively project power in an anti-access, area denial (A2/AD) environment, networked alliances and ad hoc coalition partnerships would be essential in making U.S. power projection in the Asia-Pacific more resilient and responsive to both the internal and external dynamics of the emerging regional security challenges...

Lion · Apr 18, 2012

Jeff Head said:
But those four Kidd Class DDGs are very potent combatants. With the NTU (New Threat Upgrade) and the cooperative engagement capabilities they possess, if a US Burke AEGIS class vessel were in the area and working with them, they would be a very potent force to deal with...and even without the AEGIS support they would be very, very strong.

They were considered the most potent air-defense DDGs in the US inventory until the AEGIS vessels were introduced and they have had significant upgrades since.

Problem is, on the sea, that is really all the ROCN has for area AAW coverage.

On land, their patriot and other AAW batteries are quite capable, and the Patriots have a long range.

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How can they be potent when they do not possess VLS, mutiple target engagement is impossible if enemy start to swarm at you with attacker aircraft?? Especially PLAN has many air asset like J-15,Su-30MMK and JH-7A..

MwRYum · Apr 19, 2012

Lion said:
How can they be potent when they do not possess VLS, mutiple target engagement is impossible if enemy start to swarm at you with attacker aircraft?? Especially PLAN has many air asset like J-15,Su-30MMK and JH-7A..

When compare with the rest of the ROCN surface combatants, it is formidable.

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