Skywatcher
Captain
I doubt anyone in the French Parliament would try to block the emergency amendment to the budget. And Thales has set aside the payment money for years.
Taiwan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Aero_Wing_32
Junior Member
France is the warrantor in this contract. No surprise french accepted the decision. Besides, they re now trying to get the hundred of millions € blocked in Switzerland. They will advance the fee to Taiwan but should get the recovery of the dirty commissions set aside by the darkened middlemen. It would cost less ( by far) than expected for France.
Geographer
Junior Member
Doesn't the United States worry about China getting access to state-of-the-art American technology through its spies in Taiwan? Why would it risk their technological advantage by selling the best stuff to Taiwan? Taiwan has proven very leaky with military secrets recently.
Unless China gets an apache airframe I don't think there's a lot of US technology on it that China would need to get through espionage which they cannot develop themselves in the short to medium term.
The only real vulnerable info would probably be the more logistical and doctrine side of it, and maybe some codes or signals intelligence from apache systems which the mainland could get. I wonder if the mainland will protest again. I don't think 30 additional apaches will be a significant or even minor issue for the PLA but I think it's more the act of selling the PRC objects to.
A shame, the PLA and US military only recently lessened tensions a bit. And the cycle beings again.
Mr T
Senior Member
They don't sell the best, best stuff to Taiwan - e.g. the F-22, F-35, Arleigh Burkes, etc. Also Chinese spies have long been active in the US, so there's no point in the US harming its strategic interests by refusing to sell weapons to Taiwan.
As it stands, the leaks usually seem to mostly involve Taiwanese secrets. If the US was really concerned about security it would make that plain, as it would be a good reason to delay selling further arms. The fact the State Department is dragging its feet over approving the F-16s suggests its down to diplomatic concerns with China, which is what all the analysts agree on.
MwRYum
Major
While it'd finally bring a closure of sorts to the "French Connection", in these days economy your dollar (or Euro in this case, though not in the same degree) devalue faster than that of equipment's depreciation, so to make it worth Taiwan should try to get it in goods (good ones, mind you) instead of cash. While that'd make logical sense, the sensational media in Taiwan would no doubt make a row out of it, force the hands of the policy makers into taking the less ideal solution.
And US arms sales to Taiwan have always been more political-heavy than anywhere else, a reflection of Sino-US relations if you may. In short, you gotta have China and US in a bad year to have nice stuff come in Taiwan's way in that year.
The Apache deal have been around for years and is no surprise that they finally signed it, though it'd be years before it begin to deliver, but that will be about the time China put the WZ-10 into general service as well, IF the current low-rate production / induction testing goes well.
And US arms sales to Taiwan have always been more political-heavy than anywhere else, a reflection of Sino-US relations if you may. In short, you gotta have China and US in a bad year to have nice stuff come in Taiwan's way in that year.
The Apache deal have been around for years and is no surprise that they finally signed it, though it'd be years before it begin to deliver, but that will be about the time China put the WZ-10 into general service as well, IF the current low-rate production / induction testing goes well.
Aero_Wing_32
Junior Member
But the main problem is still here and remains as the bigger issue: the purchase of warplanes. We need new planes and put away the F-5 of the tracks, definitely.
Sort of F-16 C/D, Mirages last gen., Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon, or the french Rafale. I don t think USA will sell the F-16 C/D. Not even upgrade the old fleet of F-16 A/B. Gosh...
Sort of F-16 C/D, Mirages last gen., Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon, or the french Rafale. I don t think USA will sell the F-16 C/D. Not even upgrade the old fleet of F-16 A/B. Gosh...
initial contract actually signed last year
FOR RELEASE AT
5 p.m. ET No. 1023-10
November 08, 2010
CONTRACTS
ARMY
Boeing Co., Mesa, Ariz., was awarded on Oct. 29 a $141,701,518 firm-fixed-price contract for the advanced procurement for the manufacture of 31 AH-64D model aircraft and two fixed-site Longbow crew trainers matching the Taiwan AH-640 aircraft configuration. Work is to be performed in Mesa, Ariz., with an estimated completion date of July 30, 2015. One bid solicited with one bid received. AMCOM Contracting Center is the contracting activity (W58RGZ-09-G-0147).
FOR RELEASE AT
5 p.m. ET No. 1023-10
November 08, 2010
CONTRACTS
ARMY
Boeing Co., Mesa, Ariz., was awarded on Oct. 29 a $141,701,518 firm-fixed-price contract for the advanced procurement for the manufacture of 31 AH-64D model aircraft and two fixed-site Longbow crew trainers matching the Taiwan AH-640 aircraft configuration. Work is to be performed in Mesa, Ariz., with an estimated completion date of July 30, 2015. One bid solicited with one bid received. AMCOM Contracting Center is the contracting activity (W58RGZ-09-G-0147).
MwRYum
Major
Try lobbying the US Congressmen into passing something that'd piss off China, then there'd be the better chance with nice stuff release to Taiwan's "can-buy list", but that'd need cash, and without the media knowing it until it's over.
Like I've said before, Europe will be a tough nut to crack, either they don't want to piss off China and lose out on trade and investments, or like Gripen it has US tech on it thus subject to US monitor and intervention. So on that part, you might need to have EU get into another bad year with China as well...how about having them openly support the Tibet separatist movement? I remember at one time Taiwan gov't get rather close with that side, might able to help lobby this under the table.
You can't be serious, Taiwan supporting Tibet separatism? First the official position of the Republic of China government in Taipei is that Tibet is an inseparable part of the Chinese republic (There is but one China and it spreads from Taiwan to Tibet) They have been friendly to the Dalai Lama because they see him as a Buddhist religious leader not a political one which is a very different thing to saying they support Tibet independence! True they know every time he is in Taipei it tweaks the comrades noses in Beijing but Sun Yat sen and Chiang Kai Shek will be rolling in their graves at the thought of an independent Tibet! Plus if Beijing really thought Taipei supported Tibetan independence, they would really nuke the place!
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