Taiwan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Mr T
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Check the notification I linked to above. They're UH-60Ms, which I believe is the standard Black Hawk made for the US military at the moment.
Indeed. Then it is actually somewhat benign sale overall. They couldve included F16s which we know taiwan wants, but they chose not to. The most 'dangerous' item on the list are pac3 missiles but even those are somewhat a drop in bucket of whats really needed.
I wouldnt be surprised if there was a lot of behind the scene talks with chinese prior to the sale approval. Chinese had to protest somehow to save face, and perhaps the military relationship will get back to what it was in a matter of months.
I wouldnt be surprised if there was a lot of behind the scene talks with chinese prior to the sale approval. Chinese had to protest somehow to save face, and perhaps the military relationship will get back to what it was in a matter of months.
I think the main thing here is that, the sales involved only Search and Rescue helicopters and it was only three of them, so China are not going to be barking at the sales. If the sales involved military equipment (no disguise there) and was stated as Arm sales, then China would jump.
The main difference about US sales to Europe sales are that the hardware sold was purely military such as missiles and Black Hawk Helicopters (optimise for military missions)... and they do not even bother disguising the sales and simply called it a major arm sales. This is something that is not acceptable in the Chinese point of view.
If Europe wanted to sell Taiwan Exocet and frigates, then you might be seeing China jumping sky high again.
Thus there really is no warming relationship between China and EU.
China's response was really over-the-top considering what was going on (Blackhawk helos and PAC-3s mainly, F-16s specifically avoided.)
It could have two effects: The Obama administration could decide, "If Beijing is going to overreact and pull their hair out no matter what, then we really might as well go ahead and sell big-ticket items like F-16s after all."
Or Obama could cave in - which looks like what he'll do after all.
It could have two effects: The Obama administration could decide, "If Beijing is going to overreact and pull their hair out no matter what, then we really might as well go ahead and sell big-ticket items like F-16s after all."
Or Obama could cave in - which looks like what he'll do after all.
Violet Oboe
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Beijing is sending conflicting messages and the effect is that Washington interprets Chinese actions selectively i.e. the US perceives the ´hard line´ as bluff and bluster and the conciliatory ´soft line´ as the real PRC intention.
The recent port call of a USN carrier in Hong Kong was readily seen by US pundits as an indication that Beijing was only in ´huff and puff´ mode about the Taiwan arms sales and the Dalai White House visit. This is (at least in that sweeping form!) certainly a wrong analysis but the Chinese leadership has obviously not yet recognized that sending an indifferent and conflicting message is a self defeating exercise. Lets hope that this gets not out of hand.
The recent port call of a USN carrier in Hong Kong was readily seen by US pundits as an indication that Beijing was only in ´huff and puff´ mode about the Taiwan arms sales and the Dalai White House visit. This is (at least in that sweeping form!) certainly a wrong analysis but the Chinese leadership has obviously not yet recognized that sending an indifferent and conflicting message is a self defeating exercise. Lets hope that this gets not out of hand.