Aero_Wing_32
Junior Member
Sure, a good News before another/bigger one? Perhaps?! 
Taiwan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
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Mr T
Senior Member
Sure, a good News before another/bigger one? Perhaps?!
Quite possibly. Reuters is that there may be notifications before Christmas.
We will have to see when it happens. I'm guessing that any notifications will be made public after Copenhagen has finished, possibly on 18th December given the time lag between Denmark and the US.
Aero_Wing_32
Junior Member
OMG, IF this news is confirmed , it s a terrible one for the taiwanese air defense...
French support is becoming the only chance is this intricate situation... if they only have the guts for this kind of deal.
(I copy the news below there, coz the TTimes site is really slow tonight. )
Taipei Times - F-16 prospects looking bleaker
By William Lowther
STAFF REPORTER , WASHINGTON
It now appears increasingly unlikely that US President Barack Obama will agree to sell advanced F-16 C/D fighter aircraft to Taiwan.
During a congressional hearing on Wednesday, Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Defense Trade Robert Kovac told Reuters that Obama was moving toward selling Taiwan UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters and design work on diesel-electric submarines.
Patriot Advanced Capability (PAC-3) missiles were still under consideration, he said.
But he made no mention of the fighters, which are the most controversial item on Taipei’s list of desired weapons to defend itself from a Chinese attack.
Assistant US Secretary of State Philip Crowley was asked on Thursday if he could confirm Kovac’s remarks, which were made exclusively to Reuters during a break in his testimony.
“Well, I’m not going to get into any detail on any kind of arms list. We obviously have ongoing discussions with Taiwan. The United States makes available to Taiwan defense articles and services that are necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capability,” Crowley said.
“And, you know, Taiwan has on an ongoing basis made requests of us, that we continue to evaluate them, and we’ve made no decisions,” he said.
A reporter asked Crowley if he had any comment on a Chinese statement that Beijing was opposed to selling any arms to Taiwan.
“On this particular issue, I doubt seriously that our position has changed and I doubt seriously that the Chinese position has changed,” Crowley said.
Later, at a State Department briefing on a wide range of issues, Crowley was asked: “Back to Taiwan, it seems like the F-16 C/Ds have been taken out of the shopping list.”
Crowley said firmly: “I’m not going down that shopping list.”
A number of Washington-based experts said later that they were fairly certain that Obama had decided not to sell the F-16s to Taiwan. They said they believed this was because such a sale would cause China to break off the military-to-military contacts it had recently re-established with the US, and that these contacts are a top priority for the Pentagon and Obama.
John Pike, head of the Global Security think tank in Washington, said that Obama was “kowtowing” to Beijing, but that it was also significant that Taipei had not raised a hue-and-cry about the F-16s even though it must have known for some time that it would not be getting them.
“They have not made a big issue out of this. They have just accepted it,” Pike said.
Earlier, at the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs subcommittee hearing involving Kovac, Representative Brad Sherman, a Democrat, said: “Taiwan has expressed an interest in purchasing F-16 aircraft. Given the violence done to the American economy by the illegal actions of China in so many economic spheres, for us to accede to Chinese concerns in not providing the F-16s to Taiwan seems to add not insult to injury but injury to injury.”
Kovac was asked during the hearing what effect the US sales of military aircraft, like F-22s to Japan and F-16s to Taiwan, would have on the security environment in the Pacific region.
“Well, in any export there is going to be a positive and negative effect — you increase your friends, decrease the enemy,” Kovac said. “And in each of those cases, when we receive the request, we look at it very seriously to balance both the national security and foreign policy of the US, of that country and the potential regional impacts.”
He was then asked: “So, if you had your druthers about this, you would say we need to move ahead and try to respond to Japan’s request for our F-22s and Taiwan for our F-16s?”
“Absolutely. The State Department isn’t in the trade advocacy business,” Kovac said.
Saturday, Dec 12, 2009
French support is becoming the only chance is this intricate situation... if they only have the guts for this kind of deal.
(I copy the news below there, coz the TTimes site is really slow tonight. )
Taipei Times - F-16 prospects looking bleaker
By William Lowther
STAFF REPORTER , WASHINGTON
It now appears increasingly unlikely that US President Barack Obama will agree to sell advanced F-16 C/D fighter aircraft to Taiwan.
During a congressional hearing on Wednesday, Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Defense Trade Robert Kovac told Reuters that Obama was moving toward selling Taiwan UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters and design work on diesel-electric submarines.
Patriot Advanced Capability (PAC-3) missiles were still under consideration, he said.
But he made no mention of the fighters, which are the most controversial item on Taipei’s list of desired weapons to defend itself from a Chinese attack.
Assistant US Secretary of State Philip Crowley was asked on Thursday if he could confirm Kovac’s remarks, which were made exclusively to Reuters during a break in his testimony.
“Well, I’m not going to get into any detail on any kind of arms list. We obviously have ongoing discussions with Taiwan. The United States makes available to Taiwan defense articles and services that are necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capability,” Crowley said.
“And, you know, Taiwan has on an ongoing basis made requests of us, that we continue to evaluate them, and we’ve made no decisions,” he said.
A reporter asked Crowley if he had any comment on a Chinese statement that Beijing was opposed to selling any arms to Taiwan.
“On this particular issue, I doubt seriously that our position has changed and I doubt seriously that the Chinese position has changed,” Crowley said.
Later, at a State Department briefing on a wide range of issues, Crowley was asked: “Back to Taiwan, it seems like the F-16 C/Ds have been taken out of the shopping list.”
Crowley said firmly: “I’m not going down that shopping list.”
A number of Washington-based experts said later that they were fairly certain that Obama had decided not to sell the F-16s to Taiwan. They said they believed this was because such a sale would cause China to break off the military-to-military contacts it had recently re-established with the US, and that these contacts are a top priority for the Pentagon and Obama.
John Pike, head of the Global Security think tank in Washington, said that Obama was “kowtowing” to Beijing, but that it was also significant that Taipei had not raised a hue-and-cry about the F-16s even though it must have known for some time that it would not be getting them.
“They have not made a big issue out of this. They have just accepted it,” Pike said.
Earlier, at the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs subcommittee hearing involving Kovac, Representative Brad Sherman, a Democrat, said: “Taiwan has expressed an interest in purchasing F-16 aircraft. Given the violence done to the American economy by the illegal actions of China in so many economic spheres, for us to accede to Chinese concerns in not providing the F-16s to Taiwan seems to add not insult to injury but injury to injury.”
Kovac was asked during the hearing what effect the US sales of military aircraft, like F-22s to Japan and F-16s to Taiwan, would have on the security environment in the Pacific region.
“Well, in any export there is going to be a positive and negative effect — you increase your friends, decrease the enemy,” Kovac said. “And in each of those cases, when we receive the request, we look at it very seriously to balance both the national security and foreign policy of the US, of that country and the potential regional impacts.”
He was then asked: “So, if you had your druthers about this, you would say we need to move ahead and try to respond to Japan’s request for our F-22s and Taiwan for our F-16s?”
“Absolutely. The State Department isn’t in the trade advocacy business,” Kovac said.
Saturday, Dec 12, 2009
Semi-Lobster
Junior Member
OMG, IF this news is confirmed , it s a terrible one for the taiwanese air defense...
French support is becoming the only chance is this intricate situation... if they only have the guts for this kind of deal.
(I copy the news below there, coz the TTimes site is really slow tonight. )
Didn't AIDC say they had a 'backup plan' for an indigenous aircraft in case the F-16 did not go through?
Aero_Wing_32
Junior Member
Don't you think now, that any kind of warplanes sale to Taiwan (USA side) seems blocked for good!
I mean, for years...Maybe it is for the better. The balance in the strait has already come to a point where spending large sums of money into modern fighter planes may not be the wisest investment, defence capability wise. Perhaps it'd be wiser to use those funds for additional radar and SAM networks, for which Taiwan already has enough know how to materialize as a domestic product, not so susceptible to various political pressure from mainland China.
Semi-Lobster
Junior Member
Don't you think now, that any kind of warplanes sale to Taiwan (USA side) seems blocked for good!
Indeed, I think we can expect attack helicopters and trainers but I don't see anything as advanced as the F-16 crossing over to the ROC anytime soon. This is going to be a real test for Ma and what he plans next or if he has long term contingency plans for defence that are not directly linked to the US. There still remains a serious hole in the ROCAF, something has to begin replacing, at the very least, the F-5E/Fs soon.