Syrian Crisis...2013

Last night I posted video of the presidential "mailbox" speech AKA Dear Barack. But I guess in all the upgrades we kinda lost the posts of the 10th. So seeing how today is a new day lets move on and ask our selves for a reaction. Well what happened? Not much.

The first quarter of the speech clarified the Obama logic. It must have been Assad because "I say it was". Hard to argue with that... No new facts just statements. Of his intentions to launch a strike.
The second quarter the hold. The "I think" and "I say" turned to "I felt". The root of which was a "I felt entitled to Congress giving me this."
Third quarter became the mail bag. "Someone wrote me saying..." and then he tried to justify. Overall falling back to quarter one in reasons and. He emphasized the limited nature of the action well trying to claim it would actually hurt Assad 's power structure. A hard trick to do.
Finally in the fourth quarter he backed down.
It seemed like four different speeches that he should have given over the last four weeks to the American people, blended into only single eleventh hour speech it was weak on substance and more a attempt at emphasis on presidential power and perceived American duty as global peace keeper. Obama tried to play tough guy, secret Santa, orphan Oliver and diplomat all at the same time.

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TerraN_EmpirE said:

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From:
Kerry Floats a Deal on Arms, and Russia and Syria Seize It
By STEVEN LEE MYERS, MICHAEL R. GORDON and RICK GLADSTONE
in #302:

In early 2009, Mr. Kerry met with Mr. Assad in Damascus to explore the possibility of improving relations between the United States and Syria. Mr. Kerry said that he confronted Mr. Assad about intelligence confirming that Syria had transferred Scud missiles to Hezbollah.

Mr. Kerry said that Mr. Assad had “denied it to my face,” adding, “This is a man without credibility.”

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We know what a Scud looks like and that a large liquid fueled missile is of no value to Hezbollah. The man is just playing to the ignorance of the media. Surely he
cannot be fool enough to believe this himself?

Another matter:
Organizing a multinational inspection regime for the chemical weapons might be a time consuming matter. Might China as a friend but not an ally of Syria provide the
inspection team? It would take over the places where the weapons are stored and prevent their use, protect them from capture by the terrorists by keeping those at
least 15 km away or something like that, protect them against air attack and then organize their destruction.
The danger for the US is that China is also a friend but not an ally of Israel and it might play the same role in that country.

Thank you young padawan your skills are most impressive... Avoid the darkness and quite the Jedi you make will......

any inspectors/collectors are going to be in quite the troubled position. First both sides terrorist groups Hamas and Al nusra would love to get a few videos on Al jazira showing of the latest jihad music video of beheading the infidel. Second its not just identification of the WMD its confirming the type securing it to prevent accident and then getting it moving all well in the loving care of the worlds.most dangerous terror groups.... Third if disposal. Well the Japanese government is still trying to dispose of chemical WMD from WW2. (please lets not digress into the political spectrum of that.) my point is that its not a easy task it takes time, money, brains and more of the above. Basicly this is a slow process in ideal conditions, but Syria is mad max now. So security is the principal question. The US is also going to demand to monitor the whole thing from day zero till however long it takes. Obama is not going to let there be any possibility of any one playing a wink and a nod. The Obama administration is going to be up the inspectors sphincters making sure every t is crossed and every i dotted.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Thank you young padawan your skills are most impressive... Avoid the darkness and quite the Jedi you make will......

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Thank you!

Pres. Obama is showing his lack of ability in the foreign policy arena. Pitiful. The worst since Jimmy Carter.

End political opinion.

I hope no shooting starts....If it does I'd support the US forces but I feel this whole thing , as popeye says, is a quagmire.

test bd said:

Thank you!

Pres. Obama is showing his lack of ability in the foreign policy arena. Pitiful. The worst since Jimmy Carter.

End political opinion.

I hope no shooting starts....If it does I'd support the US forces but I feel this whole thing , as popeye says, is a quagmire.

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After his speech yesterday I think he bascially gave Assad/Putin an ultimatum.. IF they don't move the Chems under UN control or at least have the UN inspectors monitor take inventory etc Obama has no choice but to strike!
If he doesn't that would be the 3rd bluff he has been called on and he would look really really weak!
Bscially this deal extends the strike by another 2 or 3 weeks.

I hope the Russians do move the chemical weapons out of Assad's hand but logistically I just don;t know how that can happen especially in a country in the middle of a war!

He has not only botched this abroad he did so at home to. As President of the United States of America, Obama's first obligation is to the people of the United States. Not the UN not England not France not Germany not Russia not China not Canada or mexico not the G20. He should have been giving that speech weeks ago. When you need to rally the troops as President, YOU do it YOURSELF first. Then you ask for foreign help. Obama went abroad first and had the lower members of his administration trying to rally the war banners. That's not how you do things even Clinton gave a speech to the American people first. Even Bush knew to stand before a packed Congress and address the nation. He right or wrong did that right and made his case for Iraq. Obama did not.
second he is wrong. Obama states that Syria violated international law. Syria, north Korea, south Sudan, Egypt and Angola are not signatory on the chemical weapons convention. They are not governed by it. Thirdly no hard proof if you are going to give a speech bring the A list material. And finally the bit that I find the most difficult to understand why in the name of hell are we supporting AQ?! Today is September 11th twelve years ago I was shocked when both towers dropped and a Saudi born princeling stabbed wildly at the heart of the American nation. Today.although OBL is now bleached bones at the bottom of the Indian ocean with a 5.56mm round still rattling around in his skull. His monstrosity of a creation still exists. AQ remains not despite the Obama administration but because of it. The Uncle Sam had his knife at AQ in Iraq's throat and Obama ordered the pull out. The local forces were not ready and AQ suddenly had a opening. That is Al nusra and related groups. One would have thought the events of Benghazi last year would have woken up the administration to the reality.... That the people he wants to help in Syria are the same people he wants to drone strike everywhere else.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Thank you young padawan your skills are most impressive... Avoid the darkness and quite the Jedi you make will......

any inspectors/collectors are going to be in quite the troubled position. First both sides terrorist groups Hamas and Al nusra would love to get a few videos on Al jazira showing of the latest jihad music video of beheading the infidel. Second its not just identification of the WMD its confirming the type securing it to prevent accident and then getting it moving all well in the loving care of the worlds.most dangerous terror groups.... Third if disposal. Well the Japanese government is still trying to dispose of chemical WMD from WW2. (please lets not digress into the political spectrum of that.) my point is that its not a easy task it takes time, money, brains and more of the above. Basicly this is a slow process in ideal conditions, but Syria is mad max now. So security is the principal question. The US is also going to demand to monitor the whole thing from day zero till however long it takes. Obama is not going to let there be any possibility of any one playing a wink and a nod. The Obama administration is going to be up the inspectors sphincters making sure every t is crossed and every i dotted.

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Correction: Hamas is the group governing Gaza. I think you mean Hezbollah, the Lebanese group set up in 1982 to combat the Israeli invasion because the Lebanese army is purposefully kept to weak too defend the country against Israeli aggression. Lebanon is politically divided, I think from when it was a French colony, along sectarian lines, Sunni, Shia, Druze, several Christian sects, and in the South of Lebanon the majority of the people are Shia. Hezbollah is a Shia organisation with an armed wing that drove out the Israeli occupation after about twenty years ( reason why they are called terrorists by the US ), a political wing that is represented in the Lebanese government, it runs a health service and a social organisation that helps people rebuild their lives when their house has been destroyed by violence, not just for Shia but for everyone in the area where they are strong enough. Because they are mostly Shia they are supported by Iran and Syria and now that anti-Shia groups are in Syria fighting against the government so now Hezbollah fight their enemies also in Syria in support of the government.

Thank you for the correction it was Hezbollah I was referring too. However Hamas is still a terrorist organization.