Very much doubt that a new trek that features old cast member or follows the TNG timeline is feasible right now, i mean i'm still a huge fan of trek, but with the new movies, that got bad reviews, it looks like Star Trek will continue to just be mediocre and never have any kind of meaningful stories produced to add to its canon.
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Very much doubt that a new trek that features old cast member or follows the TNG timeline is feasible right now, i mean i'm still a huge fan of trek, but with the new movies, that got bad reviews, it looks like Star Trek will continue to just be mediocre and never have any kind of meaningful stories produced to add to its canon.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
I get by this interview, JJ Abrams just rebooted Star Trek because he didn't want to have to follow the canon. The whole changing the course of time thing in the last movie was an easy explanation and just a way to not get heat from the fans.
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TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Gentlemen I am. Friday the new trek movie opens due to this fact and mace posting spoilers. I am for the moment exiling my self in order to truly enjoy in to darkness.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Star Trek in to darkness.
Visual effects were at warp speed, the story had me at the edge me my seat and even off of the chair.
I was born a trek fanatic I have watched every episode me the original series and TNG most of DS9 and voyager I have debated trek lore for hours. so when I tell you this was trek that this echoed the best of trek and remaind pure both to the best of its traditions well also being a thing unto its self. I an telling you something.
This may be faster paced but the great bird me the galaxy would have been proud. It was worthy. I give it a warp factor eight point nine five (the scale tops out at ten)
Visual effects were at warp speed, the story had me at the edge me my seat and even off of the chair.
I was born a trek fanatic I have watched every episode me the original series and TNG most of DS9 and voyager I have debated trek lore for hours. so when I tell you this was trek that this echoed the best of trek and remaind pure both to the best of its traditions well also being a thing unto its self. I an telling you something.
This may be faster paced but the great bird me the galaxy would have been proud. It was worthy. I give it a warp factor eight point nine five (the scale tops out at ten)
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
I have to agree with much of that review but not as harsh. I thought it was okay but it felt like an abbreviated version just so they can call it Star Trek. They just touched the surface but didn't dare go any further. JJ Abrams' interview with Jon Stewart I posted earlier pretty much is an admission of how JJ Abrams sees things. He just doesn't want to think in a movie. He wasn't a Star Trek fan when he was a kid because it was "too philosophical" for him. It makes me wonder how he could be a fan of the old Rod Serling Twilight Zone TV series which he says his TV show Lost was an homage. That was way more philosophical than Star Trek ever was. Yeah Abrams is a Star Wars fan if he chose his poison. I'm afraid of how Star Wars will turn out under his helm. Even though this villain is a good one, the movie just did not go far enough with him. Here's the cop-out bringing Leonard Nimoy back just to tell them... not show us in the actions... how serious the situation is. They didn't need to bring him back and was just another case of Abrams just throwing die-hard fans a bone that this is Star Trek. And if you're bothered by 3D in general, definitely don't watch this one in 3D. A lot of movies these days have these cinematography glare effects from some light source on screen. For some reason in this Star Trek movie there was glare coming out of nowhere. Not good with 3D.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
The only interesting way they can do a new TV series in context of the JJ Abrams universe is to have it take place in the Next Generation, DS9, Voyager era where a federation starship from the original universe somehow gets brought over to the Abrams universe. Could be connected to the whole Nero incident in the first Abrams movie. I think rehashing rebooted history and playing it out in the Abrams universe will be boring and too restricting. This way you can cut to the chase with the new history and fans will be exploring the new universe in the same context of this crew who only knows the original history.
I'm not a fan, i think that the Abrams universe is too shallow to do anything meaningful with, not even aesthetically is it interesting.
Personally I think an ideal series would be to continue the themes and story from the end of DS9, where after the Dominion war the Federation is the hegemony of the Alpha quadrant, the Cardassian Union is occupied, the Klingons and Romulans are broken and extra terrestrial threats like Borg and Dominion are neutered for the time being.
There no need to follow anything except DS9 and maybe some parts of TNG, VOY was set in another part of the galaxy so other than the things related to the Borg nothing that happened in that series actually matters. Under that setting would be the best way to explore the ethical and political implications of having a military hegemony crumbling from within and filled with its own power, as the Federation has show in DS9 to have many problems with internal secessionism and officers with political ambitions seeking to coopt democracy, we could go as far as a Federation civil war or just an overstretched starfleet trying to maintain their military empire. I can think of no better way for a series to have a commentary on modern politics than this setting.
the Abrams verse has freedom to operate since we've only seen two movies of it, although they're pretty fucking awful movies, I say they are unclean and should be kept away, but i see that's the most logical standpoint to go for a new series since the old 90s era spin offs are almost a decade old and only hardcore fans who still regularly watch dvds will know anything about the setting and story. If something like that does happen, let's try exceptionally hard to stay far away from the Orci/Kurtzman style of writing since they're writing is far more fitting for a toy centric 1980s cartoon than an adult oriented live action sci-fi.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Just in case someone misunderstood my angle the new crew would be dropped into the Abrams universe but at the same date in time they were in not back to the time where the movies are set. So that way the whole universe would have changed with a different history. The Federation might be near extinction or the Jem'Hedar might have taken over a large portion of the alpha quadrant or Khan may have created his own empire of super humans.