SSN Thread (older operational, but not PLAN)

[FORBIN]

Astute, UK



Rubis, France

 

[FORBIN]

How about these Forbin?

Damn your the man ! Merci

Oscar wide ! Seawolf seem little but have same number of weapons however SS-N-19 is a very long range supersonic missile with a very big warhead but no sea skimming

 

[Jeff Head]

Damn your the man ! Merci

Oscar wide ! Seawolf seem little but have same number of weapons however SS-N-19 is a very long range supersonic missile with a very big warhead but no sea skimming

The Sea Wolf is a really exceptional sub...like the F-22 of the undersea world.

They have a large weapon capability and with the larger torpedo tubes are able to launch numerous Tomahawk cruise missiles from those tubes without having to have all of the additional worries of VLS.

Also VERY quiet. The best of all worlds for an SSN IMHO...the class of three boats is probably the best SSN ever built.

 

[Scratch]

The Sea Wolf is a really exceptional sub...like the F-22 of the undersea world.

Also VERY quiet. The best of all worlds for an SSN IMHO...the class of three boats is probably the best SSN ever built.

Perhaps in a few years time you can also call it the Zumwalt of the undersea world. I think a lot of things that were developed for the Sea Wolf found their way into the "scaled back" Virginia, which by itself has become a very successfull program, I believe.
Maybe the DDG-1000s can be the same thing for a scaled-back DDG(X) Burke follow on. An 8 to 10.000t DDG, with, again, 96x VLS, maybe one "light" railgun, or 155mm + 5" conventional setup, and so on ...

 

[Jeff Head]

Perhaps in a few years time you can also call it the Zumwalt of the undersea world. I think a lot of things that were developed for the Sea Wolf found their way into the "scaled back" Virginia, which by itself has become a very successfull program, I believe.
Maybe the DDG-1000s can be the same thing for a scaled-back DDG(X) Burke follow on. An 8 to 10.000t DDG, with, again, 96x VLS, maybe one "light" railgun, or 155mm + 5" conventional setup, and so on ...

I agree.

I was able to work on the NSSN program, which became the Virginia sub and what you say is true about the three Sea wolf vessels projecting technology and capabilities onto the Virginia. The Virginia then took those outstanding qualities and added more, albeit in a smaller package with less torpedo tubes and overall weapons at the time.

But, by the time the SSGN hybrid capability comes along with the Block V boats and thereafter, those Virginias will then carry more weapons that the sea Wolf boats..

I agree 100% that the DDG-1000 class will produce similar results in the future.

As it is, the discussion of the SSNs would fit nicely into the SSN threads...in this case specifically the Sea Wolf and the Virginia threads. I will copy these posts there.

 

[FORBIN]

This capability is interesting a quiet submarine can deploy mines near a ennemy port and in more mines are cheaper in general.

Navy demos submarine mine-deployment capability

The submarine USS Buffalo has demonstrated the capability of Navy submarines to deploying mines.

The U.S. Navy reports that its Pacific Submarine Force has successfully demonstrated its capability at clandestinely deploying mines.

The mines used in the exercise off the coast of Kauai, Hawaii, were Mk-67 submarine-launched mobile mines, which are launched like a torpedo.

The Mk-67 SLMM consists of a Mk-37 torpedo body with a modified warhead and trigger so the submarine doesn't have to pass over the area to be mined. The Mk-37 has an effective firing range of 23,000 yards.

For the testing conducted by the submarine USS Buffalo, inert SLMM exercise mines were used.

"The Pacific Submarine Force once again demonstrated successfully its continued ability to conduct submarine-launched clandestine mining operations," Capt. Harry Ganteaume, director of tactics and training for Submarine Force Pacific said. "With growing interest in Pacific maritime activities, SLMM-Ex helps to ensure that the U.S. Navy can protect American interests and assist our allies when asked.

"These exercises help to ensure that the Pacific Submarine Force is prepared to meet the emerging challenges in the years ahead."

Submarine Force Pacific provides anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface ship warfare, precision land strike, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance and early warning and special warfare capabilities to U.S. Pacific Command.

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US Navy mines for Submarines

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[Jeff Head]

This capability is interesting a quiet submarine can deploy mines near a ennemy port and in more mines are cheaper in general.

This is a confirmation of an excellent capability.

Stand-off mine laying at 23,000 yards.

That's roughly 13 miles distant...or 21 kilometers.

They could probably very reliably do this at 10 miles, or 16 kilometers away from where they intend the mines to be located.

 

[Jeff Head]

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The crew of the Los Angeles-class fast attack submarine USS Albuquerque (SSN 706) held an inactivation ceremony Oct. 16, at Naval Base Point Loma, celebrating the boat’s 32-plus years service.

The occasion marked the submarine’s final public event before its scheduled transit later this month to Puget Sound Naval Shipyard in Bremerton, Washington, to begin inactivation process and eventual decommissioning.

Hundreds of supporters and former crew members attended the ceremony to reunite with old shipmates and bid the submarine farewell.

The ceremony concluded with the lowering of the national ensign and the hauling down of the commissioning pennant along with a symbolic securing of the watch.

Albuquerque recently completed its final deployment before returning to its homeport of Naval Base Point Loma Aug. 21.

The ship is the second United States warship to be named after Albuquerque, New Mexico. It was constructed at Electric Boat Shipyard in Groton, Connecticut, launched March 13, 1982, and commissioned May 21, 1983. Albuquerque is the 19th submarine of its class.

Since its commissioning, Albuquerque deployed 19 times. The submarine steamed more than 500,000 miles and visited nearly 20 countries. Albuquerque was also one of the first nuclear submarines to experience combat, gaining the moniker of “Sure Shooter of the Submarine Force.”

Measuring more than 360 feet long and displacing more than 6,900 tons, Albuquerque has a crew of approximately 140 Sailors. Albuquerque is capable of supporting various missions, including anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface ship warfare, strike warfare and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance.

There were a total of 62 Los Angeles class nuclear submarines built in three flights. By far an away the most nuclear submarines in a class ever built.

Twenty four have been removed from surface so far (when you include the Albequerque.

23 stricken
01 removesd and is now a mkoredd training ship

This leaves thrity-eight remaining.

08 Flight I boats left (out of thirty-one)
08 FLight II boats left (out of eight)
22 FLight III bpatsd left (out of twenty-three)

Two are planned to be removed next year.

 

[Jeff Head]

With the Los Angeles class, the Sea Wolves, and the Virginia's that have been launched, the US Navy is now maintaining 54 SSNs. If you add to that the four SSGNs, the US has an inventory of 58 nuclear powered non-nuclear ballistic missile submarines available.

As follows:

38 Los Angeles Class SSNs
03 Sea Wolf Class SSNs
13 Virginia Class SSNs
04 Ohio Class SSGNs
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58 Total US Navy SSN/SSGNs

Then, if you add the 14 Ohio class SSBNs and that gives you 72 total US Navy nuclear powered combat submarines. A huge, potent force by any measure.