Space Warfare, Directed Energy Weapons, and other future military technology

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

Have you given any thought to the idea that the The Prompt Global Strike, the X32b and the new GPS system might all be related. It seems thy launched a Prompt Global Strike payload at the same time as the X32b. I cant see any way a US Air Craft Carrier can be attacked with out starting at least as a minium an allout conventional war.

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

It is an absolute truth that in the future orbital and ultra-long range weapons will be extremely important. However a few caveats exist, at least in my mind:

-PGS can easily be mistaken for a nuclear strike. Even if you are using PGS against some third-world country, it's still possible for it to be interpreted as a nuclear strike against a nuclear-armed nation. When people see ballistic missiles arcing across the map, they won't wait for them to hit to shoot back.

-Directed energy/laser weapons, that are going to be very real in the very near future, will revolutionize missile defense. It's vastly easy to shoot down a ballistic missile with a laser than with another missile, once you have your laser tech up to par. So while carriers are currently quite vulnerable to a weapon like the DF-21A, a carrier battle group with laser weapons that can shoot into space, downing incoming ballistic missiles and the satellites that help guide them, will be much less vulnerable. And that technology is coming.

So while these weapons will revolutionize warfare, we also have to take into account new advances that are applicable in the area of defense.

And a lot of this stuff sounds crazy, but if you really think about the tech that we know exists today, and is in early stages of operation, well, what I'm talking about isn't that far out.

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

rhino123 said:

Oh yeah... and who is to attack US without preparing themselves or fending themselves against an all-out-conventional war? Plus why would anyone want to attack US unless US did something that warrant for that attack. And can you stop coming out, out of nowhere and throw some out of the context technologies that will get this thread lock up again.

The theme of this thread is whether the era of the carriers are coming to an end, and not some farout space war.

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Air Craft Carriers are just one part of a complex system and involves the most advanced technology like the Aegis cruiser and to claim this technology is far out when the protrotype of the Prompt Strike Weapons, X37 b and the new GPS system is in orbit right now makes it a reality today.



With all the focus on the launch of the secret X37B, another space launch by a Minotaur IV rocket from Vandenberg Air Force base in California received less attention.

It was carrying the prototype of a new weapon that can hit any target around the world in less than an hour.

The Prompt Global Strike is designed as the conventional weapon of the future. It could hit Osama bin Laden’s cave, an Iranian nuclear site or a North Korean missile with a huge conventional warhead.

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

Finn McCool said:

It is an absolute truth that in the future orbital and ultra-long range weapons will be extremely important. However a few caveats exist, at least in my mind:

-PGS can easily be mistaken for a nuclear strike. Even if you are using PGS against some third-world country, it's still possible for it to be interpreted as a nuclear strike against a nuclear-armed nation. When people see ballistic missiles arcing across the map, they won't wait for them to hit to shoot back.

-Directed energy/laser weapons, that are going to be very real in the very near future, will revolutionize missile defense. It's vastly easy to shoot down a ballistic missile with a laser than with another missile, once you have your laser tech up to par. So while carriers are currently quite vulnerable to a weapon like the DF-21A, a carrier battle group with laser weapons that can shoot into space, downing incoming ballistic missiles and the satellites that help guide them, will be much less vulnerable. And that technology is coming.

So while these weapons will revolutionize warfare, we also have to take into account new advances that are applicable in the area of defense.

And a lot of this stuff sounds crazy, but if you really think about the tech that we know exists today, and is in early stages of operation, well, what I'm talking about isn't that far out.

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noname said:

Air Craft Carriers are just one part of a complex system and involves the most advanced technology like the Aegis cruiser and to claim this technology is far out when the protrotype of the Prompt Strike Weapons, X37 b and the new GPS system is in orbit right now makes it a reality today.

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With all the focus on the launch of the secret X37B, another space launch by a Minotaur IV rocket from Vandenberg Air Force base in California received less attention.

It was carrying the prototype of a new weapon that can hit any target around the world in less than an hour.

The Prompt Global Strike is designed as the conventional weapon of the future. It could hit Osama bin Laden’s cave, an Iranian nuclear site or a North Korean missile with a huge conventional warhead.

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While I am not denying the fact of the existing of these weapons, but they are not aim to replace aircraft carriers... in actual fact all these weapons only strenghten an CBG.

The purpose of these weaponries are different from that of the CBG. CBG was a verstatile system and I have mentioned times and again, nothing at present moment or in near forseeable future could deny the aircraft carrier, unless US or those countries with this system had finally rebuke the need to sent their troops on a global basis. And only aim to strike on renegade countries with missiles and stuff like that, and bomb them to stone age.

And while weapons like the DF-21XX might be effective against the aircraft carriers, but the thing is, how effective? This is something that none of us know yet.

And it is also a fact that how effective is laser against ballistic missile? Theoretically, they are very effective, but if you take lasers theory to a deeper read, it is basically concentrated light beam that would burn through material when struck.

Ballistic missile having explosive in it is very vulnerable to the laser strike... but if the ballistic missile didn't have explosive but relied on kinetic energy to penetrate a carrier, what then? Even if being hit by a laser, since there are no explosive in it, and the shear size of the missile warhead will not be melted off totally, being dropped or propel onto the deck of an aircraft carrier might still cause quite a big hooha... and most probably denying any aircraft to launch or land.

And even so... and lets say the DF-21XX type of weaponries being very effective, it will still not cut down the need for CBG, it will only make CBG more difficult to get close to denied seaspace.

As to those nonsense about allout conventional war or nuclear war that someone suggested... all I could say is... it was all nonsense. Why? We all know the presence of these weaponries... and are you suggesting that because of these weaponries, people is going to just keep quiet and let bigger country bully? Even when that mean the entire destruction of your country? If not... why bring this type of statement out and invite a flamewar?

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

noname said:

Air Craft Carriers are just one part of a complex system and involves the most advanced technology like the Aegis cruiser and to claim this technology is far out when the protrotype of the Prompt Strike Weapons, X37 b and the new GPS system is in orbit right now makes it a reality today.

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With all the focus on the launch of the secret X37B, another space launch by a Minotaur IV rocket from Vandenberg Air Force base in California received less attention.

It was carrying the prototype of a new weapon that can hit any target around the world in less than an hour.

The Prompt Global Strike is designed as the conventional weapon of the future. It could hit Osama bin Laden’s cave, an Iranian nuclear site or a North Korean missile with a huge conventional warhead.

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Dude seriously stop repeating yourself and blabber on with your fanboy wetdreams about "future weapons" that you've read on aviation week or sth. They aren't even designated as in service yet. You kept bringing up those aircrafts in your pointless posts, such as X-32, X-37. Did you not realize that they all have a designation X, which stands for experimental? Why on earth are you trying to legitimize your claims with experimental prototypes when there aren't even any new updates of any of these aircraft ever even being considered for production or any plans of joining the USAF inventory?
You are so ff, yet you'd keep using these non factual, non valid stuff to back your claim of how the US military is invincible this, can't be defeated that.

And seriously, stop repeating yourself. If your X wing starfighters are as much the silver bullet you bulled about, osama should already be dead. Yet I bet he's probably in some cave now, reading our forum, and laughing at how ridiculous your claim is that he should be killed by a X-37.

And FYI, EVEN if the launch platforms are targeted for destruction by the US military, you made it sound like a walk in the park. To this date, no one even knows what the new DF launch systems look like or where they're located. There aren't even sufficient information out there for anyone right now to know more, so don't make your claims so lightly like you wish it to be. Time to snap back to reality

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

The purpose of the new systems wont be to sink american aircraft carriers but among other things to protect them. What would you expect the USA to call new Space Planes, the USS Spaceship Enterprise, if the USA starts announcing they have Space War Craft they have all kinds of international implications as well as problems with the US public, but they can launch experimental aircraft year around and no one will say anything, people are use to that.. If some one decides to take on the US Aircraft Carriers they are going to have to consider even the weapons the USA just might have, not just the ones they are sure about.

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

noname said:

The purpose of the new systems wont be to sink american aircraft carriers but among other things to protect them. What would you expect the USA to call new Space Planes, the USS Spaceship Enterprise, if the USA starts announcing they have Space War Craft they have all kinds of international implications as well as problems with the US public, but they can launch experimental aircraft year around and no one will say anything, people are use to that.. If some one decides to take on the US Aircraft Carriers they are going to have to consider even the weapons the USA just might have, not just the ones they are sure about.

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Quit turning this perfectly good thread to your self righteous propaganda... this is only something that will start a flamewar.

Everyone in this forum know of the new development of military technology, we do not NEED YOU to keep bugging and coming out with random shits that you read online and think it is the final weapons that will turned the tide of any war.

And I have always said and please don't repeat what I have said in my thread, that the system that Finn and yourself had posted was not to replace CBG.

Plus... please USE your common sense when you post something... normally I don't resort to this type, but I think I am feeling pretty pissed off right now... So let me quote what you say again,

noname said:

If some one decides to take on the US Aircraft Carriers they are going to have to consider even the weapons the USA just might have, not just the ones they are sure about.

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and my reply to this nonsense is, "WHO WOULD WANT TO TAKE ON THE US AIRCRAFT CARRIERS WITHOUT SUFFICIENT REASONS?" and by this simple reply, I means, taking on US aircraft carriers means an act of war against the American people and so it would be an all out war, whether you have all these mumbo jumbo or not.

No one in the right mind would do that unless being forced to a corner and had no choice but to retaliate. And if that was the case, do you think those mumbo jumbo means anything?

So next time, don't resort to this type of nonsense.

(PS. and you think you are the only one on Earth who know how to analysis thing and everyone else in this globe do not? If you are implying that, I really don't know what to say anymore... by that I means, look at your first few sentenses:

noname said:

The purpose of the new systems wont be to sink american aircraft carriers but among other things to protect them. What would you expect the USA to call new Space Planes, the USS Spaceship Enterprise, if the USA starts announcing they have Space War Craft they have all kinds of international implications as well as problems with the US public, but they can launch experimental aircraft year around and no one will say anything, people are use to that

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I am trying very hard to refrain from using the 'S' word... but can you please think before posting any of those junks. By saying something as experimental, or prototype or stuff like that and people are already used to that and no one will say anything? This is by far the most hilarious things I have ever read and I am surprise that you seriously believe in it.

Look, be it experimental or prototype, if it poses as a threat to other nations, people in those nations will start to react... It is pure common sense. And how do you know other nations had not react to this? Because they didn't announce their intention or what?

I mean come on, It is not that every intentions needed to be announced to the globe. And there might also be other implication... perhaps places like Iran where they might feel the threat... but they can't do anything about it, because they simply do not have the technology yet.

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

And add to Rhino's words, even if it's like how you've said it, noname, it's only a few individual aircrafts. Definitely <10. No one mass produces experimental aircrafts. And in the sense when missiles start flying, how are those few individual systems capable of stopping masses of targets appearing on the radar simultaneously? Not to mention it's hard to identify bogus targets from the real ones, and if China were to launch the missiles, it's China's first call, not the US. This also meant the US only have extremely limited time before it's end-game.

Guys try and post news/info regarding the latest "black project" or breakthroughs in laser based missile defence here! Speculations welcomed!!!

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

SampanViking said:

It seems as though BD Popeys warning is not getting through to certain quarters. I would suggest it does and does so quickly.

If you guys really want to have a Future Space Weapons thread, let me know and I will do the necessary for you with posts from here.

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I like the idea of an advanced weapon technology thread. I am assuming this thread is about the end of air craft carriers because they would be obsolete due to the fact they could be destroyed. I dont think so, I dont think the Navy thinks so, they just spent 6 billion or so on the new Ronald Reagan, I expect what ever threats there are, defenses will be improvised. Air Craft Carriers are just one part of a weapon system. Most of these new systems I have mentioned are just logical extensions of present system. Drones such as the predator are used daily, its just logical they are being adapted to space. The new GPS system is being harden so it will be difficult to intefere with, its designed so an enemy can not use it for their weapons, smart bombs have added inertial guidance systems so their targeting can not be intefered with. I would expect the new GPS system to have its electronics harden so they can resist EMP.

Like the B1, lot of these systems are not going to be public information until they are in use in combat.

The USA Military spends billions on research every year, you would expect them to have something to show for it.